# A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 19, 2023, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250 "2023-05-19T03:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 131
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2601 "2023-10-20T20:12:41Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > Now you got me thinking, but isn’t glee also associated with malicious joy? I think of the lines > > _I watched with glee_ > _While your kings and queens_ > _Fought for ten decades_ > _For the gods they made_ No, glee is a neutral feeling of happiness, like joy. You could replace ‘glee’ with ‘joy’: “I watched with joy…” I don’t think English really has a word for a particular kind of happiness that results from other people’s sufferering, except maybe gloating, so you have to take the meaning from context. That’s probably why we borrow ‘schadenfreude’. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2602 "2023-10-20T20:16:44Z")
> [@solost](#): > > I don’t think English really has a word for a particular kind of happiness that results from other people’s sufferering, except maybe gloating, so you have to take the meaning from context. That’s probably why we borrow ‘schadenfreude’. Sigh, that’s why I feared that “Schadenfreude” and “Häme” are emotions genuine to the German mindset. Not really proud of it, but OTOH I sure like those feelings when it concerns people like Trump and his ilk. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2603 "2023-10-20T20:25:09Z")
How about Gleefully gloating? I could totally do that every time trump and company get their just desserts. Indeed, I do gleefully gloat. Every. Single. Time. Hee hee. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2604 "2023-10-20T20:34:32Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > the thugs who ran Hitler’s SA in the days before he was appointed Chancellor Hitler’s… Social-media Accounts? No doubt you mean this, I had never heard of it by that formal name… > **[Sturmabteilung](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung)** > > The Sturmabteilung (.mw-parser-output .IPA-label-small{font-size:85%}.mw-parser-output .references .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .infobox .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .navbox .IPA-label-small{font-size:100%}German: \[ˈʃtʊʁmʔapˌtaɪlʊŋ\] ⓘ; SA; literally "Storm Division" or Storm Troopers) was the original paramilitary wing of the Nazi Party. It played a significant role in Adolf Hitler's rise to power in the 1920s and 1930s. Its primary purposes were providing protection for Nazi ralli... The “Brownshirts”. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2605 "2023-10-20T20:34:44Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > Sigh, that’s why I feared that “Schadenfreude” and “Häme” are emotions genuine to the German mindset. I would not worry about that. Just think of the [French soldiers in Monthy Python’s The Holy Grail](https://youtu.be/M9DCAFUerzs?t=204). That was Häme. The anglophones just don’t know yet that the viciousness of schadenfreude can be semantically raised a notch or two. We are fighting their ignorance! For everybody’s instruction: Glee → Schadenfreude → Häme in ascending order of vicious bad faith. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2606 "2023-10-20T20:38:03Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > that’s why I feared that “Schadenfreude” and “Häme” are emotions genuine to the German mindset. Only insofar as Germans are humans (Except, apparently when they play football against Argentina 😠 ), these emotions are genuine to the _human_ mindset. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2607 "2023-10-20T20:44:05Z")
Do you say “mala uva” or “mala leche” in Argentina too? Like in this bad joke from my childhood: > _Ring, ring!_ > Digame? > Es la Central Lechera Asturiana? > No, aquí la Guardia Civil. > Peor leche todavía. _Click!_ ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2608 "2023-10-20T20:45:06Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > Sigh, that’s why I feared that “Schadenfreude” and “Häme” are emotions genuine to the German mindset. Not really proud of it, but OTOH I sure like those feelings when it concerns people like Trump and his ilk. I wouldn’t say that, EH. We borrowed the word “entrepreneur” from the French, but that doesn’t mean they’re a nation of self-made businessmen. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2609 "2023-10-20T20:51:48Z")
Mala leche yes, mala uva not so much, but mala leche… yes we use it very much. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2610 "2023-10-20T20:55:32Z")
> _Ring, ring!_ > Digame? > Es la Central Lechera Asturiana? > No, aquí la Guardia Civil. > Peor leche todavía. _Click!_ > Mala leche yes, mala uva not so much… Can you translate for the few of us who aren’t from Argentina? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2611 "2023-10-20T20:57:44Z")
[FIVE YUGE!](https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-threatens-hold-donald-trump-154923862.html) > Former President [Donald Trump](https://apnews.com/hub/donald-trump) was fined $5,000 on Friday after his disparaging social media post about a key court staffer in his New York civil fraud trial lingered on his campaign website for weeks after the judge ordered it deleted. > > Judge Arthur Engoron avoided holding Trump in contempt for now, but reserved the right to do so — and possibly even put the 2024 Republican front-runner in jail — if he again violates a limited gag order barring case participants from personal attacks on court staff. > > [Engoron said in a written ruling](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24073885-452564_2022_people_of_the_state_of_v_people_of_the_state_of_order ___other__ non__1584?responsive=1&title=1) that he is “way beyond the ‘warning’ stage,” but that he was only fining Trump a nominal amount because this was a “first time violation” and Trump’s lawyers said the website’s retention of the post had been inadvertent. > > “Make no mistake: future violations, whether intentional or unintentional, will subject the violator to far more severe sanctions, which may include steeper financial penalties, holding Donald Trump in contempt of court, and possibly imprisoning him,” Engoron wrote in a two-page order. Looks to me like he’s more than one step closer to that jail cell. There is absolutely no way he’s not going to violate the gag order when he gripes about this. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2612 "2023-10-20T21:01:02Z")
That is difficult, as it is a word play. It could go something like this: > _Ring, ring!_ > Hello? > Is this the Asturian Dairy Company? > No, this is the Guardia Civil _(a central part of Spain’s repression apparatus, way back when Spain was a dictatoship)_ > Even worse attitude! (_Hangs up_) It is bad joke in the original, but tranlated it makes no sense, I am afraid. > Mala leche yes, mala uva not so much. They use the expression “mala leche” in Argentina, but not the expression “mala uva”, which is what I asked about. The expressions mean literally _bad milk_ and _bad grapes_, both are used in Spain with the verb _tener_, to have. When you have/show one or the other, you are a mean person. It is related, but identical to, schadenfreude and _Häme_ (_Häme_ → see above). ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2613 "2023-10-20T21:02:33Z")
> [@digs](#): > > Can you translate for the few of us who aren’t from Argentina? Google Translate says [replacing ‘Tell me?’ with ‘Hello?’]: > _Ring Ring!_ > Hello? > Is it the Asturian Dairy Central? > No, this is the Civil Guard. > Even worse milk. _Click!_ I don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2614 "2023-10-20T21:05:07Z")
Schadenfreude for Jim Jordan who will not be the speaker of the house… > **[Nobody Likes Me (Live)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbEk2bgOuho%2F)** > > Provided to YouTube by The Orchard EnterprisesNobody Likes Me (Live) · Alice CooperLive at the Whiskey A-Go-Go, 1969℗ 1992 Manifesto Records, Inc., as succes... ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2615 "2023-10-20T21:13:01Z")
> [@digs](#): > > the few of us who aren’t from Argentina Nobody is perfect. (also **Pardel-Lux** is from Spain and lives in Germany if I’m not mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2616 "2023-10-20T21:13:38Z")
**Frodo** is right on all three accounts. ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2617 "2023-10-20T21:15:10Z")
Except the spelling of mistakent. 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2618 "2023-10-20T21:16:09Z")
What’s wrong with it? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2619 "2023-10-20T21:16:50Z")
Why, nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2620 "2023-10-20T21:17:29Z")
You forgot to close the “(”. But the edit window should still be open 😉 And “also” should be capitalized. Just nitpickin’… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250.md?page=130) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250.md?page=132)