# A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 19, 2023, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250 "2023-05-19T03:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 166
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3301 "2023-12-12T09:13:08Z")
One is plenty, believe me. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3302 "2023-12-12T13:11:29Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Not that it really matters, but if he used one phone from inside the White House, and a different one when he was in, say, Florida; then more than one phone may need to be looked at. Trump was too stupid and too undisciplined for that. He was issued a secured government phone but continued to use his personal phone extensively through his entire term and beyond. It was be appropriate if a guy who made a habit of ripping up any sheet of paper he was given could not be inconvenienced to use a secure phone ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3303 "2023-12-12T19:39:25Z")
> [@scudsucker](#): > > While Ms Habba has a skilled hairdresser who dyes or highlights her hair, she’s never going to go full-Giuliani. Looking at the Legal Eagle lawsuit summary, I wouldn’t bet on how long she’s going to be able to maintain a top tear hairdresser. Especially if Trump drops her in a desperate effort to stay out of yet ANOTHER case against him if it turns out she starts indicating she did it at his direct behalf and will testify to that effect. (No, I don’t think that’s likely to happen, because that would of course incriminate herself, but if she becomes trouble for Trump, she’s out the door with “I hardly knew her,” a tainted rep, and a very serious likely lawsuit headed her way) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3304 "2023-12-12T23:52:17Z")
I don’t know where to put this without bumping some very old thread, so placing it here. It looks like Michael Cohen’s lawyer is in some deep, deep, shit: [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53393202147_bd7ee0658c_b.jpg "20231212\_175027") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/68782016@N08/53393202147/) ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3305 "2023-12-13T00:34:17Z")
Do you think he tried to cheat by using an AI Chatbot to find the cases? It’s happened before. And I’m thinking Cohen isn’t going to get an early end to his supervised release. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3306 "2023-12-13T01:46:13Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Do you think he tried to cheat by using an AI Chatbot to find the cases? It’s happened before. He was either very lazy (and careless) or very intentionally deceptive. Either way, I have no sympathy for him. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3307 "2023-12-13T02:40:12Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I don’t know where to put this without bumping some very old thread, so placing it here. It looks like Michael Cohen’s lawyer is in some deep, deep, shit: I can 't read that document, even if I go to Flickr. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3308 "2023-12-13T02:43:00Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > > [@JohnT](#): > > > > I don’t know where to put this without bumping some very old thread, so placing it here. It looks like Michael Cohen’s lawyer is in some deep, deep, shit: > > I can 't read that document, even if I go to Flickr. I didn’t have any issue reading it. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3309 "2023-12-13T02:46:13Z")
The text is way too small and I can’t find a way to increase it enough. ETA: never mind, I found a way. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3310 "2023-12-13T03:48:38Z")
The breakdown is that Cohen’s lawyer cited cases that seem to have been made up out of whole cloth. Law review searches and such have returned no results and he has until end of the week(?) to produce his cites or show in writing why he shouldn’t be sanctioned. They’re also curious how much input, if any, Michael Cohen had on the situation. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3311 "2023-12-13T05:24:35Z")
Obviously those citations are in the same folder all those missing Trump votes got siphoned off into. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3312 "2023-12-13T06:48:33Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Cohen’s lawyer cited cases that seem to have been made up out of whole cloth. Law review searches and such have returned no results … Maybe Cohen’s lawyer was citing ChatGPT hallucinations, in keeping with current legal practice in some circles … > **[Sanctions ordered for lawyers who relied on ChatGPT artificial intelligence...](https://www.courthousenews.com/sanctions-ordered-for-lawyers-who-relied-on-chatgpt-artificial-intelligence-to-prepare-court-brief/)** > > A federal judge said the fines are meant to serve as deterrent in the era of artificial intelligence tools that are already giving way to legal fabrications. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3313 "2023-12-13T12:14:00Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > very intentionally deceptive. But how did he think this would work? Lawyers have whole staffs of people whose job is to look up these kinds of cites, so that they know if they’re actually relevant to the case at hand. How do you argue that _Bob vs Bill_ isn’t a precedent, if you don’t read the case file? I mean, using an AI in such an important case is also kind of stupid, but it’s the kind of stupid that at least makes some bit of sense, if the lawyer doesn’t really understand how AI works, and some of the problems people have found in using it. But just assuming no one will even look up the cases you cite? That’s so blindingly stupid I simply can’t fathom it. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3314 "2023-12-13T15:51:28Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > That’s so blindingly stupid I simply can’t fathom it. Forget it Jake. It’s TrumpTown. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3315 "2023-12-14T18:02:34Z")
I don’t know if this is quite exactly schadenfreude-inducing, but it’s certainly adjacent. And I had to laugh when I saw this article’s title quoting Trump: [‘They’re trying to get a guilty plea!’ Trump admits Supreme Court might rule against him (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/they-re-trying-to-get-a-guilty-plea-trump-admits-supreme-court-might-rule-against-him/ar-AA1lsZNL?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=3a9af543ef454f29a77a573e6aaaf70d&ei=12) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3316 "2023-12-14T18:03:56Z")
When was the last time Trump actually had a court decision go his way? Particularly one that didn’t involve Judge Cannon? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3317 "2023-12-14T18:07:22Z")
I think the Appeals court left Judge Chutkan’s gag order in place though somewhat narrowed its scope. Does that count? ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3318 "2023-12-14T18:11:02Z")
I’m thinking that Appeals Court decision was about a 90/10 favorable ruling for the prosecution. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3319 "2023-12-14T18:14:14Z")
\< Trump Math \> "So I win with 10 out of 10, right? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3320 "2023-12-14T18:24:20Z")
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