# A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 19, 2023, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250 "2023-05-19T03:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 168
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3341 "2023-12-17T22:47:00Z")
And most Adam Sandler movies, for me. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3342 "2023-12-18T14:52:03Z")
Yeah, it’s hard to watch someone suck so hard at comedy. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3343 "2023-12-18T15:29:47Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > So is “Vergüenza ajena” The German _fremdschämen_ is actually derived from the Spanish _vergüenza ajena_. I cannot prove it, but I am quite sure of that. I was already living in Berlin in the '80s when I noticed that German was lacking that word, so I came up with the translation and explained it to anybody who would listen and a couple of people who were not interested. In the '90s it started to spread, and now everyone you ask in Germany will tell you the word has always been German (at least, everyone _I_ ask does - but it is not true, as this dictionary [entry shows](https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/fremdschaemen): “This word was first included in this dictionary 2009”.) Whether I coined the term first and somebody heard me, adopted the idea and spread it, or merely helped another person’s parallel coinage spread, or just witnessed something happen in which I had no part at all, I am sure the word spread from Spanish into German in the '90s at the very latest. I also believe that the natural English equivalent is _cringeworthy_. And this words perfectly describe the reason I cannot watch Jerry Lewis or Louis de Funès movies, most German comedians or the people who are the subject of this thread, except when they generate _Schadenfreude_. Which leads me to think that _Schadenfreude_ and _fremdschämen_ share in their origin the same psychological mechanism, only the expression of the same feeling is different: glee or cringe. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3344 "2023-12-18T15:48:44Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > In the '90s it started to spread, and now everyone you ask in Germany will tell you the word has always been German (at least, everyone _I_ ask does - but it is not true, as this dictionary [entry shows](https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/fremdschaemen): “This word was first included in this dictionary 2009”.) It’s better in the original Klingon. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3345 "2023-12-18T15:50:25Z")
_Schadenfreude_ is better in the original Klingon, _fremdschämen_ I am not so sure 😉 ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3346 "2023-12-18T17:16:05Z")
Klingons have no shame at all. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3347 "2023-12-18T17:38:29Z")
Shame is dishonorable and is only felt by a _petaQ baktag_! (Stupid piece of trash, roughly.) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3348 "2023-12-18T19:58:22Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > It’s also why I have trouble watching plays. What if an actor messes up on stage? If it’s Shakespeare, you thoughtfully say, “We shall speak of this anon,” and walk off. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3349 "2023-12-18T23:40:38Z")
I think the Klingon response to any sense of _fremdschämen_ would be to simply blast the embarrassment into their component particles with a disruptor and get on with their day. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3350 "2023-12-19T23:06:36Z")
[Watch This Gay Trump Supporter Get The Shock Of His Life When He Realizes Republicans Are Homophobic (yahoo.com)](https://www.yahoo.com/news/watch-gay-trump-supporter-shock-162531709.html) > “You chose to be a [Republican](https://www.pride.com/politics/ron-desantis-heckled) despite knowing what they stand for. And now you want sympathy?” one person commented. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3351 "2023-12-19T23:17:04Z")
Schadenfreude, 14th amendment style: > ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3352 "2023-12-19T23:21:39Z")
Holy crap, could that be appealed? Or is that the end of the road since it went through their Supreme Court and it’s a state issue? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3353 "2023-12-19T23:22:21Z")
Republicans are huge believers in states’ rights, so this should settle the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Raza](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raza/32/213_2.png) [@Raza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raza)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3354 "2023-12-19T23:22:37Z")
I just saw this in my NYT breaking news feed. How did Colorado go last election? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3355 "2023-12-19T23:23:04Z")
Against Trump in the last two elections. But Colorado isn’t reliably blue or red in presidential elections - it’s voted for the winner of the presidency in 12 of the last 15 elections. This represents a significant burden on the Republican party if it nominates Trump. Admittedly, it’s been trending more strongly blue in the last decade or so. So maybe it is considered safe now? I honestly don’t know. > **[United States presidential elections in Colorado](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_elections_in_Colorado)** > > Following is a table of United States presidential elections in Colorado, ordered by year. Since its admission to statehood in 1876, Colorado has participated in every U.S. presidential election. > Winners of the state are in bold. The shading refers to the state winner, and not the national winner. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3356 "2023-12-19T23:24:04Z")
Apparently, it can and will be appealed to SCOTUS: > [@](#): > > The ruling will be placed on hold pending appeal until January 4, pending a certain appeal to the US Supreme Court, which could settle the matter for the nation. From here: [https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/19/politics/trump-colorado-supreme-court-14th-amendment/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/19/politics/trump-colorado-supreme-court-14th-amendment/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Raza](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raza/32/213_2.png) [@Raza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raza)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3357 "2023-12-19T23:24:29Z")
Could Colorado run their VP nominee as the President for that one state, I wonder. ---
**Author:** ![Karen\_Lingel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karen_lingel/32/18649_2.png) [@Karen\_Lingel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karen_Lingel)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3358 "2023-12-19T23:24:41Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Republicans are huge believers in states’ rights, so this should settle the issue. Dude, you slay me! ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3359 "2023-12-19T23:25:29Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Schadenfreude, 14th amendment style: I’ll add my “wow” to this. Did not expect it. I assume Trump will wiggle out of it, but he’s having a run of true “bad luck” lately. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3360 "2023-12-19T23:30:04Z")
Also, this happened today: > [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250.md?page=167) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250.md?page=169)