# A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 19, 2023, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250 "2023-05-19T03:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 173
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3442 "2023-12-28T23:31:45Z")
“If you look at everything that was going on, which was some of the worst in history, it’s amazing what Abraham Lincoln was able to accomplish. Many people have said that I’m the only president to accomplish as much as him and perhaps more. But it was an amazing thing he did. We love Lincoln, folks.” ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3443 "2023-12-29T00:12:45Z")
> Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rockets’ red glare, it had nothing but victory The orange-hued Stable Genius does have a point, though. By destroying the ramparts – those places where aircraft park in front of terminal buildings – the American revolutionary forces disrupted the ability of British troops to travel back and forth to their homeland, which was extremely demoralizing especially during the holiday season. Also, to be fair to the Orange Genius, the famous reference to Fort McHenry was during the War of 1812, a much more technologically advanced time in aviation history during which both President James Madison and his Sec of State James Monroe thought it would be a good idea to invade Canada. By 1812 the British had both fighter jets and stealth bombers, so ramming the ramparts at all the airports made a lot of sense. Didn’t work, though – British-Canadian interests managed to burn down the White House in August, 1814, allegedly with AGM-65 Maverick air-to-surface missiles fired from a pair of F-16s, a feat that one would dearly hope might be re-enacted should said residence become occupied by an orange shit-stain at some future date. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3444 "2023-12-29T00:20:44Z")
I found a picture of some Civil War reenactors. You have to admire the commitment they make to realism, all that attention to detail. [![](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/gettyimages-827165302-1616696354.jpg) ](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/gettyimages-827165302-1616696354.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3445 "2023-12-29T00:34:39Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > “If you look at everything that was going on, which was some of the worst in history, it’s amazing what Abraham Lincoln was able to accomplish. Many people have said that I’m the only president to accomplish as much as him and perhaps more. But it was an amazing thing he did. We love Lincoln, folks.” "He was a Republican. Not many people know that. " ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3446 "2023-12-29T00:41:46Z")
Nah, he doesn’t like Presidents who die. Losers! ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3447 "2023-12-29T00:47:11Z")
> [@Homer Simpson](#): > > If he’s so smart, how come he’s dead? text for discourse ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3448 "2023-12-29T00:50:37Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > “If you look at everything that was going on, which was some of the worst in history, it’s amazing what Abraham Lincoln was able to accomplish. Many people have said that I’m the only president to accomplish as much as him and perhaps more. But it was an amazing thing he did. We love Lincoln, folks.” Oh, _so_ close. But, _actually_, you’d have been closer if you’d gone in a _both sides_ direction. > [@](#): > > I think I’ve done more for the black community than any other President and let’s take a pass on Abraham Lincoln because he did good but although it’s always questionable, you know in other words the end result > **[What Was Trump Trying to Say About Abraham Lincoln?](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/what-was-trump-trying-to-say-about-abraham-lincoln.html)** > > It wasn't good, but what was it? A for effort, though. > [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > “He was a Republican. Not many people know that.” Nailed it. > [@](#): > > Great president. Most people don’t even know he was a Republican. Does anyone know? Lot of people don’t know that. > **[Trump Thinks America Doesn't Know Abraham Lincoln Was a Republican](https://time.com/4708749/donald-trump-abraham-lincoln-republican/)** > > Though the GOP are often called "The Party of Lincoln" Actually, as I Google, I think the most expected donald answer was that _he_ would have avoided the civil war altogether. It just had to be worked out. > [@](#): > > I mean, had Andrew Jackson been a little later, you wouldn’t have had the civil war. He was a very tough person, but he had a big heart. > > He was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. He said, ‘There’s no reason for this.’ People don’t realize, you know, the civil war – if you think about it, why? People don’t ask that question, but why was there a civil war? Why could that one not have been worked out? > **[Trump voices confusion over US history: 'Why was there a civil war?'](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/01/donald-trump-civil-war-cause-andrew-jackson)** > > President says roots of civil war go unquestioned as he lauds ‘big-hearted’ Andrew Jackson, who was ‘very angry’ about a conflict years after his death ---
**Author:** ![Kelby2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ebca7d/32.png) [@Kelby2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelby2)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3449 "2023-12-29T00:56:49Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > > > “If you look at everything that was going on, which was some of the worst in history, it’s amazing what Abraham Lincoln was able to accomplish. Many people have said that I’m the only president to accomplish as much as him and perhaps more. But it was an amazing thing he did. We love Lincoln, folks.” > > "He was a Republican. Not many people know that. " 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3450 "2023-12-29T09:59:36Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Maybe someone will ask him what the cause of the Civil War was… “Woke” ---
**Author:** ![saje](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saje/32/3631_2.png) [@saje](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saje)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3451 "2023-12-29T11:49:42Z")
I can’t believe this isn’t mentioned yet! > **[Donald Trump removed from Maine primary ballot by secretary of state](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/12/28/maine-trump-primary-ballot/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNzAzNzM5NjAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNzA1MTIxOTk5LCJpYXQiOjE3MDM3Mzk2MDAsImp0aSI6IjgzYTdhODI2LWI5NTMtNGIyNC1iNTNjLWFhNDllZjIyMmQzMyIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9wb2xpdGljcy8yMDIzLzEyLzI4L21haW5lLXRydW1wLXByaW1hcnktYmFsbG90LyJ9.xPKM6ZmLlU6rz1AdMC82tD9Wx9HQLcrpBqZMzw9uuqU&itid=gfta)** > > Maine is the second state to block the former president from running again under a part of the Constitution that prevents insurrectionists from holding office. Even if this and Colorado’s ban are removed, it’s still a delightful slap in the face for the Orange Dictator-wannabe. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3452 "2023-12-29T11:54:34Z")
I’m not comfortable with the idea that candidates can be removed from the ballot without having been convicted of something serious at the very, very least, but I am enjoyed the irritation it must be causing him. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3453 "2023-12-29T12:23:57Z")
Wasn’t the amendment concerned originally applied without prior convictions? This is the third time the Maine decision has been posted on this site. I posted it once. ---
**Author:** ![saje](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saje/32/3631_2.png) [@saje](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saje)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3454 "2023-12-29T13:02:21Z")
Sorry. I just didn’t see it in this thread - I don’t read all the forums. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3455 "2023-12-29T13:15:55Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I’m not comfortable with the idea that candidates can be removed from the ballot without having been convicted of something serious at the very, very least, I can understand this. But, the amendment in question has a mechanism built-in for overcoming such a ban. He just needs to get 2/3 of both Houses of Congress to vote to overturn his ban, and he’s back in. So it’s not like it’s an entirely extrajudicial process with no means of defending yourself, or appealing the verdicts. So, I’d tell him, get on with that, Mr. Art of The Deal. Show us how good you _really_ are at negotiating. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3456 "2023-12-29T14:50:59Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I’m not comfortable with the idea that candidates can be removed from the ballot without having been convicted of something serious at the very, very least… How would someone be convicted of being less than 35 years old? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3457 "2023-12-29T14:51:53Z")
Millions and millions of people are already guilty of that offense, and everyone is at birth. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3458 "2023-12-29T15:09:54Z")
For purposes of determining eligibility for appearing on the tve ballot, what legal standard is applied? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3459 "2023-12-29T15:29:46Z")
And then there’s the precedent of Civil Forfeiture. The cops can take stuff from you if they think it was the “proceeds of crime”, even if you haven’t even been _charged_ with the underlying crime. You can then take it to court to get your money back, if you can prove you got it legitimately. Are we going to treat the Presidency of the United States less seriously than drug dealing? The US has this rule on the books. It takes deliberate actions by officials in each State to carry out this process (apparently, so far, we’ll see, I guess…), and there’s a mechanism in place to appeal any such actions. I think that’s a sufficient number of safeguards in place to prevent abuse. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3460 "2023-12-29T15:59:46Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > So, I’d tell him, get on with that, Mr. Art of The Deal. Show us how good you _really_ are at negotiating. Wouldn’t that violate Amendment 8, Section 4, the one about cruel and unusual punishment? Specifically exposing him to public ridicule. I mean it would be the modern equivalent of putting him in stocks. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3461 "2023-12-29T16:06:24Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Wouldn’t that violate Amendment 8, Section 4, the one about cruel and unusual punishment? Nope, because this isn’t a part of his “punishment”. The punishment is the ineligibility for office, this is just part of the process for appealing that punishment. He can avoid the humiliation entirely by just accepting his punishment, slinking off and shutting up. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250.md?page=172) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250.md?page=174)