# A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 19, 2023, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250 "2023-05-19T03:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 182
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3622 "2024-01-10T01:28:32Z")
There’s a foot of snow outside and I’m low on popcorn (good on booze though). > **[Trump plans to deliver a closing argument at his civil fraud trial, AP...](https://apnews.com/article/trump-fraud-lawsuit-trial-new-york-closing-arguments-034726fd88e6344cb5667ec91d9ae4b5)** > > Donald Trump plans to deliver his own closing argument Thursday in his New York civil business fraud trial, in addition to the ones made by his legal team. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3623 "2024-01-10T01:40:27Z")
The age-old problem with lying liars who lie is that their lies eventually come back to bite them in the ass. During Trump’s second impeachment, his lawyers argued that the appropriate place to adjudicate his actions on Jan 6 would be in the courts. Now that he’s facing the courts, they’re arguing that the appropriate place would have been impeachment in Congress, a discrepancy that did not escape the judges in his appeal hearing: > **[Trump's defense from his 2021 impeachment trial comes back to bite him in...](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-impeachment-defense-backfires-appeals-court-immunity-2024-1)** > > Two appeals court judges pointed out that Trump's lawyers are now making the exact opposite argument that his impeachment lawyers made in 2021. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3624 "2024-01-10T02:42:06Z")
That’s pretty damning. You literally have Republicans overwhelmingly saying 2 years ago that POTUS is not immune and he should face his day in court, and that’s why they wouldn’t convict him in an impeachment vote. It seems like a bipartisan argument from lawmakers and I expect it to hold a lot of weight with SCOTUS. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3625 "2024-01-10T03:14:20Z")
True, but I find it hard to get excited about it. Nobody including Trump thought he had any chance of winning this appeal, it was entirely about delay, and the Supreme Court gave him the delay already on the refusal to expedite. So he kind of already “won” this. The only thing that could rescue this is the remote possibility that the SC refused to expedite because they don’t plan to grant cert. It’s probably wishful thinking, but if they do want to push back against Trump it feels a lot more politically palatable for them to deny cert on this one and effectively send him to trial on the DC charges than to allow him to be disqualified (the Colorado appeal). ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3626 "2024-01-10T03:51:23Z")
A point made on Lawrence O’Donnell tonight - if presidents have immunity for things they do while they’re president - unless they’ve been impeached in the House and convicted in the Senate - then why did Gerald Ford have to pardon Richard Nixon? ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3627 "2024-01-10T03:56:53Z")
And why did Nixon bother to accept? As has also been pointed out, by so accepting he acknowledged that he was liable for prosecution for crimes committed while he was in office. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3628 "2024-01-10T03:57:35Z")
Right – I forgot that part. Important addendum, I’d say. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3629 "2024-01-10T07:09:55Z")
For some reason this argument makes me think of [Major Major Major Major](https://catch22.fandom.com/wiki/Major_Major), who could only be seen in his office when he wasn’t there (if anyone was already in his office when he arrived, they would have to go to the outer office and wait until he left). And it makes every bit as much sense. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3630 "2024-01-10T14:05:32Z")
I’m guessing that Trump has selective hearing and selective understanding. Probably, the only thing he remembers about Watergate is Nixon saying, “[but when the President does it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMt8qCl5fPk&ab_channel=RobertTaylor)…” ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3631 "2024-01-10T18:52:32Z")
I really wish someone had asked…… “If Joe Biden believed it was in the best interest of the country to have Donald Trump assassinated by a drone strike, would Biden have presidential immunity or does your theory only apply to Republican presidents? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3632 "2024-01-10T18:58:59Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > “If Joe Biden believed it was in the best interest of the country to have Donald Trump assassinated by a drone strike, would Biden have presidential immunity or does your theory only apply to Republican presidents? Followup question: “And if he quit before an impeachment, does this mean he gets off scot-free, since he can’t be prosecuted according to your reasoning?” ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3633 "2024-01-10T19:14:20Z")
Need answer fast. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3634 "2024-01-10T19:17:33Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I really wish someone had asked…… > > “If Joe Biden believed it was in the best interest of the country to have Donald Trump assassinated by a drone strike, would Biden have presidential immunity or does your theory only apply to Republican presidents? I agree, but honestly, you know they’re all thinking it. At this point, fuck politeness, and they should directly ask the question. Let’s get it out in the open. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3635 "2024-01-10T19:25:07Z")
Okay, that was funny. ---
**Author:** ![bobsmom101](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobsmom101/32/2867_2.png) [@bobsmom101](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobsmom101)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3636 "2024-01-11T01:32:06Z")
Follow-up #2: And if the impeachable offense (e.g. sale of state secrets) occurs during his/her tenure, but is not discovered until the president leaves office – and is therefore no longer subject to impeachment – does this mean he/she is free from consequences? ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3637 "2024-01-11T06:38:46Z")
Maybe, but their eyes aren’t watering because of their sentimental nature. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3638 "2024-01-11T12:26:59Z")
> [@bobsmom101](#): > > and is therefore no longer subject to impeachment – does this mean he/she is free from consequences? I hereby propose we commission a Statue of Limitations to be placed in the National Mall. It will be a giant effigy of Trump, giving Congress the finger. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3639 "2024-01-11T13:19:45Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > I hereby propose we commission a Statue of Limitations to be placed in the National Mall. It will be a giant effigy of Trump, giving Congress the finger. - More like Trump and an elephant giving _us_ the finger. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3640 "2024-01-11T15:15:20Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Maybe, but their eyes aren’t watering because of their sentimental nature. I thought that comments that have been floating around for a couple years now, about how trump smelled bad, was simply trolling to piss him off. But in a recent Kimmel monologue, he played a clip of former Repub Rep. Adam Kinzinger saying the odor coming off trump is a nauseating cologne of “armpit B.O., ketchup and butt”. For all I know Kinzinger is also trolling, and I’d hate to unknowingly pass on a falsehood, even in regard to the king of all bullshitters. But hey, it’s coming from a guy who would know, which I’d say is a reasonably unimpeachable (heh) source. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/3641 "2024-01-11T17:10:18Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > It will be a giant effigy of Trump, giving Congress the finger. But what’s the point? The hands would be so small it would be hard to tell what gesture it’s making. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250.md?page=181) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250.md?page=183)