# A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 19, 2023, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250 "2023-05-19T03:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 220
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/4382 "2024-02-23T16:11:25Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Sparse attendance at CPAC this year. But there was a [guest talk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iox7fIVAhzk) by the world’s shortest lived prime minister: (I mean for all these people talk about America First, between her, and Putin, and Orban, and a bunch of others and how they cross-pollenate each other’s conferences, it’s pretty clear that this is an internationalist movement). ---
**Author:** ![Flopnoodle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ad7895/32.png) [@Flopnoodle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flopnoodle)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/4383 "2024-02-23T16:50:18Z")
If I’m reading this right, Trump’s lawyer is saying they can’t come up with the cash for appeal without committing more fraud. [Email correspondence with Judge Engoron](https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/DocumentDisplayServlet?documentId=dOENtXOU0ZhiAjJWPGU46w==&system=prod) > Dear Justice Engoron: > We are in receipt of your email where the Court does not address the defendants’ request for a temporary stay of enforcement of the Judgment necessary to protect defendants’ appellate rights and ensure an orderly post judgment process. > As the Court is well aware, the Monitor that the Court appointed remains in place. As such there is no exigency or potential prejudice to the attorney general from a brief stay of enforcement of the Judgment. To the contrary the prejudice to the defendants is considerable. This is a civil matter, so your “right” to an appeal is your ability to put up bond or cash. To “protect the defendants’ appellate rights”, they need more time to pull together the cash. But apparently, with the Monitor in place (preventing them from committing more fraud or laundering money), “the prejudice to the defendants is considerable.” So how exactly are they supposed to pull together that much cash that quickly without the ability to commit fraud? The judge’s reply is pure delicious schadenfreude: > Dear Mr. Robert, > You have failed to explain, much less justify, any basis for a stay. > I am confident that the Appellate Division will protect your appellate rights. > Justice Engoron ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/4384 "2024-02-23T17:37:05Z")
> [@Flopnoodle](#): > > If I’m reading this right, Trump’s lawyer is saying they can’t come up with the cash for appeal without committing more fraud. I think they’re saying there’s no reason to rush the verdict because the monitor would stop them from using the time to try and stash assets away. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/4385 "2024-02-23T18:02:13Z")
> [@Flopnoodle](#): > > If I’m reading this right, Trump’s lawyer is saying they can’t come up with the cash for appeal without committing more fraud. 👏 👏 👏 “We need more time to hide stuff. The bathroom is full. Ivanka casket is full. The meanies won’t let us move to Florida where our buddies will pass laws to help us delay, delay,…” Yeah, so more fraud. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/4386 "2024-02-23T18:05:33Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I think they’re saying there’s no reason to rush the verdict because the monitor would stop them from using the time to try and stash assets away. I agree that’s what they are saying - the presence of the monitor would protect the AG’s interests if there is an additional delay. But they don’t give any good reason _why_ there should be a delay beyond the 30 days, which I assume is a normal timeframe. The claim that this would “ensure an orderly post judgment process” is just content-free bullshit for “we would _like_ more delay but we don’t have any specific reason we can think of to justify the request”. Even if this were a more sympathetic case, it’s utter bullshit to say that 30 days is a very short timeframe in which to obtain $500 million in liquidity. If Trump didn’t look into raising cash _much earlier_ prior to a verdict that was obviously likely to going against him in this order of magnitude, that’s entirely on him. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/4387 "2024-02-23T18:17:57Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > But they don’t give any good reason _why_ there should be a delay beyond the 30 days, Excuse me, but I think they’ve made it clear that they don’t want to pay, because Donald Trump doesn’t want to pay. Expecting him to pay when he doesn’t want to is the heights of prejudice! It’s almost as if you don’t _want_ to be a sniveling toadie! ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/4388 "2024-02-23T18:20:20Z")
I love how every judge Trump is up against is so manifestly brighter than any of the dimwit lawyers willing to work for him! 😀 ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/4389 "2024-02-23T18:36:55Z")
Considering how low the bar has been set for lawyers willing to work for DJT it’s hardly a surprise though. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/4390 "2024-02-23T19:00:08Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > If Trump didn’t look into raising cash _much earlier_ prior to a verdict that was obviously likely to going against him in this order of magnitude, that’s entirely on him. He also stated, on the record, that he has over 400 million in liquid assets. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/4391 "2024-02-23T19:01:36Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > He also stated, on the record, that he has over 400 million in liquid assets . Even if that was true at the time he said it, he could easily have spent it since then. (or converted it to non-liquid assets) ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/4392 "2024-02-23T19:05:39Z")
> [@leahcim](#): > > (I mean for all these people talk about America First, between her, and Putin, and Orban, and a bunch of others and how they cross-pollenate each other’s conferences, it’s pretty clear that this is an internationalist movement). So, that’s Arlo’s Group W. (Alice’s restaurant ref.) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/4393 "2024-02-23T19:05:44Z")
> [@NY AG Letitia James drops the (civil) hammer {On Trump & Family} \[9/21/2022\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2383): > > He is an incompetent business man, he is a bad liar, he gets pinned to the mat by the English language, all his knowledge is wrong, is there anything he is good at? I put this here so as not to hijack the P&E thread that it came from. AFAICT, the Orange Imbecile is good at one thing, and one thing only. His pathological narcissism combined with his almost unfathomable stupidity gives him tremendous bravado – an unshakable self-confidence fueled by his complete inability to recognize how stupid he is and how pathetic he sounds to anyone with more than even half a brain. His pronouncements, if uttered by any normal person due to drugs or intoxication, would be so deeply embarrassing that they’d likely never show their face in public again; to the Orange Imbecile, it’s all just proof of his genius. Unfortunately, that one attribute is enough to attract a cult following of bigoted dimwits of similarly deficient intellectual prowess. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/4394 "2024-02-23T19:06:13Z")
Sure, though if any of that involved his companies the independent monitor would’ve known about it. Either way, it sounds like a him problem. Either he lied under oath about his liquid assets, or he blew through half a billion dollars to shelter them. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/4395 "2024-02-23T19:06:34Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I love how every judge Trump is up against is so manifestly brighter than any of the dimwit lawyers willing to work for him! 😀 [Well, _almost_ every judge…] ([File:Cannon2021 (004).jpg - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cannon2021_(004).jpg)) ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/4396 "2024-02-23T19:07:45Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > 400 million in liquid assets. Trump Vodka? 400 million rubles worth in Russian warehouses. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/4397 "2024-02-23T19:11:36Z")
So let’s see. A well-known businessman often speaks about how he doesn’t drink alcohol, then lends his name to a vodka. Gee, what could possibly go wrong? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/4398 "2024-02-23T19:19:18Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > ETA dammit, that was supposed to open on a portrait of Aileen Cannon. Yeah, I figured it was probably Loose Cannon – your original link came up in my browser as “blocked”. However, I would posit that some of the morons in Trump’s past and present legal stable are so comically incompetent that even Cannon looks almost professional in comparison: Sidney Powell, Rudy Giuliani, Alina Habba, for example. The E Jean Carroll case was essentially unwinnable for Trump, but I’m pretty sure that Habba is directly responsible for the unexpectedly high damages award, which in itself is very sweet Schadenfreude. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/4399 "2024-02-23T19:44:25Z")
All true. Plus, I suppose it’s a bit of a stretch to say that the America-hating fuckstick is actually up _against_ her. At least, she certainly doesn’t seem to be against him. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/4400 "2024-02-23T19:58:41Z")
Speaking of Trump’s idiot lawyers … 😁 > **['Insultingly stupid': Trump’s move to toss out classified docs case torn...](https://www.alternet.org/trump-classified-doc/)** > > Lawyers for Donald Trump late Thursday night launched a multi-pronged effort to toss out of court Special Counsel Jack Smith’s prosecution of the ex-president in the classified documents case, which includes charges under the Espionage Act. Many... ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/4401 "2024-02-23T20:49:45Z")
The Economist had a good bit on exactly that last week Gift link, I hope [https://econ.st/42QFqHq](https://econ.st/42QFqHq) > **[The growing peril of national conservatism](https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/02/15/the-growing-peril-of-national-conservatism)** > > It’s dangerous and it’s spreading. Liberals need to find a way to stop it [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250.md?page=219) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250.md?page=221)