# A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 19, 2023, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250 "2023-05-19T03:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2023, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/481 "2023-06-21T23:05:19Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > > > If she votes to acquit > > > > If she votes to acquit > > Looks like we know what you think her vote is gonna be . 😃 Oops, “convict” should be the second word, of course. 🤦‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/482 "2023-06-22T02:14:31Z")
[‘A one-man army of hate’ | Rioter who used stun gun on Officer Fanone sentenced to 12.5 years in prison](https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/rioter-who-bragged-he-tazzzzed-officer-mike-fanone-viewed-donald-trump-as-father-he-never-had-attorneys-say-daniel-rodriguez-young-head-badalian/65-8d3b9108-acce-44ed-af9f-05a6d7a560ca) > WASHINGTON — A federal judge sentenced a California man who [drove a stun gun](https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/congress-can-hang-capitol-daniel-rodriguez-rioter-who-electroshocked-officer-michael-fanone-conspired-to-commit-violence-doj-says/65-598b702b-2d8f-4e65-a182-df1aec4f38ce) into the base of former DC Police Officer Mike Fanone’s neck during the Jan. 6 riot to more than 12 years in prison on Wednesday, calling him one of the “most serious offenders” from that day. > > Daniel Rodriguez, 39, of Panorama City, California, [pleaded guilty in February to four felony counts](https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/man-who-drove-stun-gun-into-officer-mike-fanones-neck-to-plead-guilty-daniel-rodriguez-capitol-riot-january-6/65-b1cef25b-dd91-4748-a046-08c8a97ea4b3) of conspiracy, obstruction of an official proceeding, tampering with documents and inflicting bodily injury on an officer with a dangerous weapon. On Wednesday, he appeared before U.S. District Judge Amy B. Jackson for sentencing. Prosecutors asked for 14 years in prison — arguing he brought a group of people to D.C. with weapons on Jan. 6 for what he expected to be a violent conflict. Rodriguez’s public defenders asked for a much lower sentence of six years in prison. Jackson quickly made clear that request wouldn’t hold water, > > “Your messages were all blood, war, weapons, hanging,” Jackson said. “You never even anticipated a peaceful gathering.” In short, the judge said, “You’re a damn liar and you’re going to prison for 12 1/2 years”. And the dumbass’s response? > Afterward, he smiled and hugged his attorneys and, while being led out of the courtroom by U.S. Marshals, yelled emphatically, “Trump won!” ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/483 "2023-06-22T03:04:25Z")
I’m so glad that Fanone did not die. He has been a strong voice in this whole twisted mess, and he did not deserve the beating and torture he was subjected to. The defendant pos should be _ **really** _ glad Fanone didn’t die. In my not-a-lawyer opinion this Rodriguez should have been tried for attempted murder. I really have no doubt Mr. Rodriguez’s purpose was to end a cop’s life. Lucky for him he didn’t get his wish that day. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/484 "2023-06-22T08:25:37Z")
Ever since Traitor Tan the Conman riled up his moronic minions on January 6, 2021, I’ve often found myself wondering what would have happened afterward had that mob actually managed to murder Pence and Pelosi. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/485 "2023-06-22T11:41:38Z")
The mob was out for blood, cause… reasons. Those that organized that insurrection probably hoped they could get the house to vote in the next president. One vote per state, not number of representatives per state. They probably would have got trump in. Then, probably full on civil war I suppose. Though it wouldn’t be very civil. It’s an interesting question though @Monty . Much like “What is a dog going to do if it catches a car” ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/486 "2023-06-22T17:24:49Z")
I’ve wondered, if they had actually got Pence in their hands would they really have hung him, like was being chanted? ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/487 "2023-06-22T17:26:29Z")
I think they would have torn him into pieces. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/488 "2023-06-22T17:44:31Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > I’ve wondered, if they had actually got Pence in their hands would they really have hung him, like was being chanted? The only way this could have happened is if they’d overwhelmed his Secret Service guards, which almost certainly would have involved several deaths on both sides of the fight. A victorious mob that already has blood on their collective hands probably wouldn’t have taken a moment to reflect on their choices. ---
**Author:** ![tofor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tofor/32/13727_2.png) [@tofor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tofor)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/489 "2023-06-22T18:14:11Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > I’ve wondered, if they had actually got Pence in their hands would they really have hung him, like was being chanted? In my opinion, this picture of the famous gallows: [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErFGhYEXAAA-6HL?format=jpg&name=small) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErFGhYEXAAA-6HL?format=jpg&name=small) suggests this was _not_ seriously meant to be used. The noose seems low to the platform, and it looks like it was specifically designed for exactly the types of photos that came out of it. I mean, it even has a sign that says, “This is art”. That could be an attempt to make a serious tool of violence look innocuous, but I think Occam’s Razor suggests we take them at their word. Despite all their bluster, with the possible exception of some of the hard core Proud Boys or Oathkeepers, I believe most of the people at the capitol that day would before the event have been horrified at the idea of actually murdering Pence. But then they became a mob. The problem with a mob is that it will do things none of the individuals involved would have done on their own. You start out angry, get caught up in the moment and get more angry, and things happen that nobody in a more sober moment would have condoned. The problem with nooses is that they’re very simple and you have to work pretty hard to make them NOT functional. This platform probably _could_ be used to actually hang somebody. So there’s no real way of knowing, but I do think it’s possible (though by no means a surety) that given the opportunity some in the crowd would have done it, and there would not have been the will in the larger crowd to stop them. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/490 "2023-06-22T18:38:45Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > I think they would have torn him into pieces. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/ufFOghMt1yI/maxresdefault.jpg "The Lord of the Rings - Meat's Back on the Menu (HD)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufFOghMt1yI&t=138) ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/491 "2023-06-22T18:53:51Z")
> [@tofor](#): > > In my opinion, this picture of the famous gallows > suggests this was _not_ seriously meant to be used. The noose seems low to the platform, and it looks like it was specifically designed for exactly the types of photos that came out of it. I mean, it even has a sign that says, “This is art”. That could be an attempt to make a serious tool of violence look innocuous, but I think Occam’s Razor suggests we take them at their word. From what I’ve heard, the noose was meant to suggest a scene from the White Supremacist book _The Turner Diaries_, which many who were there had read, and would immediately recognize. > [@](#): > > Among the many memorable images captured by photographers on January 6, 2021, is the photograph of a scaffold with a noose erected on the mall in front of the U.S. Capitol Building. The scene evoked the infamous “[Day of the Rope](https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/day-of-the-rope)” recounted in [_The Turner Diaries_](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/books/turner-diaries-white-supremacists.html), the dystopian 1978 white supremacist novel—when corrupt, self-serving, liberal politicians are made to account for their misdeeds. > **[A Year After January 6, Is Accelerationism the New Terrorist Threat?](https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/year-after-january-6-accelerationism-new-terrorist-threat)** > > Far-right extremists are attempting to incite an insurrection to hasten the downfall of what they see as a deeply corrupt U.S. government. Some could resort to deadly acts of terrorism. See here, too: > **[Several groups of extremists stormed the Capitol on Wednesday. Here are some...](https://www.businessinsider.com/hate-symbols-and-extremist-groups-at-the-us-capitol-siege-2021-1#nooses-and-day-of-the-rope-7)** > > Symbols of hate groups and conspiracy theories abounded during the siege on the US Capitol on Wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/492 "2023-06-22T18:53:54Z")
> [@tofor](#): > > The problem with nooses is that they’re very simple and you have to work pretty hard to make them NOT functional. I’ve never been able to tell for sure, but it’s always looked to me like there’s a beer or soda can stick in the middle of the coils to bulk them out and look more like a hangman’s noose. Even before I noticed the frame was so short I was looking at the way the rope was fastened to it and and how flimsy the whole thing was, saying to myself, “That’s something symbolic, not seriously meant to hang someone.” You’re right, though. From time immemorial people in mobs have gotten worked up and done things they would never do as individuals. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/493 "2023-06-22T19:01:19Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > the frame was so short I was looking at the way the rope was fastened to it and and how flimsy the whole thing was It’s bolted together and made from 10 or 12 foot long 4x4s. It’s at least as structurally sound as throwing a rope over a tree branch . . . which has a long, ugly, history of working just fine. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/494 "2023-06-22T19:13:25Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > It’s bolted together and made from 10 or 12 foot long 4x4s. It’s at least as effective as throwing a rope over a tree branch . . . which has a long, ugly, history of working just fine. Yeah, not likely to snap someone’s neck with that setup, but dangle 'til you strangle would work fine. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/495 "2023-06-22T19:17:21Z")
I’m not sure they would have hung Pence, particularly since the gallows was not sturdy enough to do that. But I have no doubt they would have caused him serious injury if they had been able to get their hands on him. As for Pelosi or some of the others like Ocasio-Cortez, I have no doubt they would have murdered them in cold blood. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/496 "2023-06-22T19:22:29Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > As for Pelosi or some of the others like Ocasio-Cortez, I have no doubt they would have murdered them in cold blood. And probably gang-raped Ocasio-Cortez first. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/497 "2023-06-22T19:26:15Z")
…or after. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/498 "2023-06-22T19:51:15Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > since the gallows was not sturdy enough to do that. Your basis for this is? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/499 "2023-06-22T19:53:15Z")
> [@tofor](#): > > I mean, it even has a sign that says, “This is art”. That could be an attempt to make a serious tool of violence look innocuous, but I think Occam’s Razor suggests we take them at their word. I think I’ll go with “That’s art like ‘kiss my ass’ is actually a pronoun”. Why would that be the _one_ thing they weren’t serious about doing? ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/500 "2023-06-22T20:12:51Z")
> [@tofor](#): > > suggests this was _not_ seriously meant to be used. There are trees around. Or other ways to murder. They wanted blood, and would’ve got if if they had managed to reach Pence or Pelosi. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250.md?page=26)