# A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 19, 2023, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250 "2023-05-19T03:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 252
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5022 "2024-03-25T20:51:15Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > Everything that happens around Trump is unprecedented (my most hated word). Isn’t it common for appeals courts to do things like this? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5023 "2024-03-25T20:56:48Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > Isn’t it common for appeals courts to do things like this? I can’t speak for New York courts, but where I practice I’ve never seen such a thing. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5024 "2024-03-25T21:03:08Z")
Per a report on CNN, highly unusual but not entirely without prior examples: > **[Live updates: Trump hush money case hearing, bond deadline in civil fraud case](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-hush-money-bond-deadline-trials-03-25-24#h_dfaf144a2914207843e82fa5e8769f2a)** > > In the civil fraud case, an appeals court ruled former President Donald Trump can pay a smaller bond. In the criminal hush money trial, a judge said jury selection is now set for April 15. Follow here for the latest live news updates. > A New York appellate court reduced Trump’s bond to $175 million from $464 million, and granted him 10 days to come up with the payment. > > > “It’s highly unusual that it would be reduced at all,” said Mitchell Epner, a former federal prosecutor in New York. “And it’s highly unusual that it would be reduced by this amount.” > > But, Epner said it’s not unprecedented, citing the 1980s fight between Texaco and Pennzoil, in which a court reduced Texaco’s bond from more than $10 billion to $1 billion. Texaco ended up filing for bankruptcy in 1987. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5025 "2024-03-25T21:04:31Z")
I don’t know. But I didn’t hear or read anything predicting that this result was considered by people who do know. Everyone seems to be surprised. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5026 "2024-03-25T21:31:56Z")
> [@solost](#): > > AND he’s been given 10 more days to raise the reduced $175 mill. Why the _ **fuck** _ do the courts keep cutting him breaks??!? No particular answer but the only hypotheses that I can come up with are: 1. Collecting from Trump might be so difficult that it actually serves the State of New York to drop his bonds down enough that he voluntarily gives them the money. His appeals are unlikely to succeed so they’re probably doing better at collecting from him by dangling the rope for him to hang himself on. 2. The appeals court is highly liberal and has norm of accepting pretty much any appeal for lenience, and feels like they’d look politically motivated if they didn’t do likewise, here. 3. As a local New York corruption-meister, Trump and his pardoned-pals like Rod Blagojevich knew which palms to grease to get some lenience. I’d lean pretty heavily towards 1 or 2. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5027 "2024-03-25T21:52:47Z")
I’d agree that New York stands a much better chance of getting 175M from Trumps grubby mitts than 464m. That’s still a lot and it would be nice if it came from the RNC and his campaign contributors, if he still can’t get someone to put up a bond. It is clear he can’t raise a bond for 464M and I’d hate to see him slide out with bankruptcy or the months of legal wrangling to work through a byzantine web of shell companies hiding what his actual personal ownership is of the assets. Well that’s what I am telling myself whilst taking another big swig from my bottle of Fukitall. ---
**Author:** ![Ferris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ferris/32/11573_2.png) [@Ferris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferris)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5028 "2024-03-25T23:51:33Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > particular answer but the only hypotheses that I can come up with are: > > 1. Collecting from Trump might be so difficult that it actually serves the State of New York to drop his bonds down enough that he voluntarily gives them the money. His appeals are unlikely to succeed so they’re probably doing better at collecting from him by dangling the rope for him to hang himself on. > 2. The appeals court is highly liberal and has norm of accepting pretty much any appeal for lenience, and feels like they’d look politically motivated if they didn’t do likewise, here. > 3. As a local New York corruption-meister, Trump and his pardoned-pals like Rod Blagojevich knew which palms to grease to get some lenience. > > I’d lean pretty heavily towards 1 or 2. The first scenario sounds plausible - along the lines of ‘a bird in the hand’ sort of thing. An unsuccessful appeal then means TFG has given up $175m immediately with no additional effort required from NYC to collect. No doubt getting the remaining $289m will be a lot harder, but while the whole sordid process plays out, I can’t imagine Trump having _any_ leeway to conduct business in New York. So as far as ‘shutting Trump Org down’ goes, it’ll be quite effective. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5029 "2024-03-26T00:01:50Z")
If he’s borrowing money, the lenders might also start to hit him. It’s like someone should make a Constitutional amendment barring people from office who have financial entanglements that could compromise their integrity… ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5030 "2024-03-26T00:05:58Z")
Of course to get that $289 mil. they will be competing , [like vultures over a bloated carcass](https://youtu.be/Q1pwoZvcf3I?t=38), against Chubb and whatever unlucky sod gives him the bond for $175m, for tasty tidbits of what remains of the Trump assets. So it might be better to get in early. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5031 "2024-03-26T00:08:20Z")
> [@FordPrefect](#): > > And that right there is why you stack the courts! /grrr As appalling a decision as this is, it was by a NYS court that Trump played no role in appointing. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5032 "2024-03-26T00:12:08Z")
> [@FordPrefect](#): > > And that right there is why you stack the courts! When and how did Trump stack the **New York State** courts?! I don’t think this gripe has any basis in factuality. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5033 "2024-03-26T00:36:51Z")
Fucking idiot nailed. > **[Woman charged after dog attack left child seriously injured in Toronto](https://ca.news.yahoo.com/woman-charged-dog-attack-left-141311446.html)** > > TORONTO — A dog attack at a Toronto park that left a child with life-altering injuries had led to multiple charges against the owner, police said Monday, days after the city took steps to address concerns over dangerous dogs. Toronto police said a... ---
**Author:** ![Karen\_Lingel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karen_lingel/32/18649_2.png) [@Karen\_Lingel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karen_Lingel)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5034 "2024-03-26T00:44:57Z")
They have ruined, RUINED, Schadenfreudey Monday for me! ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5035 "2024-03-26T00:49:39Z")
Is this woman tied to Trump somehow? I wouldn’t be surprised, but it doesn’t say in the article. ---
**Author:** ![FordPrefect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@FordPrefect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordPrefect)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5036 "2024-03-26T00:58:02Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > As appalling a decision as this is, it was by a NYS court that Trump played no role in appointing. > [@Atamasama](#): > > When and how did Trump stack the **New York State** courts?! > > I don’t think this gripe has any basis in factuality. I knew I was reaching too hard for the joke… mea culpa. ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5037 "2024-03-26T01:12:14Z")
Not surprised in any way that this fuckhead has slipped out of responsibility YET AGAIN. He’ll die without ever really paying for all the sleazy shit he’s done. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5038 "2024-03-26T01:26:22Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > Everything that happens around Trump is unprecedented Don’t you mean _unpresidented_? > [@romansperson](#): > > Not surprised in any way that this fuckhead has slipped out of responsibility YET AGAIN. He’ll die without ever really paying for all the sleazy shit he’s done. But at least he’ll be dead. What worries me is that when he slithers off this mortal coil, his lunatic following will go full whacked-out nut-job conspiracy theorists and commence a round of killing people. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5039 "2024-03-26T03:48:08Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > his lunatic following will go full whacked-out nut-job conspiracy theorists and commence a round of killing people. Of course they will. That goes without saying. ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5040 "2024-03-26T10:47:25Z")
But since Jan. 6, how many MAGAts have actually done any real harm to anyone in his name? There are millions of them, but, ISTM, vanishingly small numbers of actual incidents, most of which were threats, intercepted in advance, that might not have resulted in anything even if they hadn’t been stopped It seems to me that despite his and their bluster, they are actually paper tigers. And that the hundreds of prosecutions and convictions of Jan 6ers have taught a salutory lesson to most of the relatively small numbers who might have actually had the means and gumption to act, or to organize others to act. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5041 "2024-03-26T10:52:52Z")
> [@commasense](#): > > the hundreds of prosecutions and convictions of Jan 6ers have taught a salutory lesson to most of the relatively small numbers who might have actually had the means and gumption to act Yeah, but I would argue the lesson is actually “don’t fail this time.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250.md?page=251) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250.md?page=253)