# A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 19, 2023, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250 "2023-05-19T03:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 267
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5322 "2024-04-08T14:32:55Z")
If you are talking about the 🎵Do Do Doo Dah Do Do 🎵 in the comic, I assumed that it was hail to the chief. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5323 "2024-04-08T14:44:40Z")
I agree with **The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper** : [The Imperial March](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsMWVW4xtwI), just after 15 seconds. It’s most distinctive. And fitting: Darth Drumpf’s theme is sung out of tune, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5324 "2024-04-08T15:27:30Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > They may, of course, ignore the subpoenas, as is their traditional practice. Congressional subpoenas and criminal subpoenas are different animals. I don’t see any value in society in propagating the concept that a criminal subpoena is optional. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5325 "2024-04-08T15:58:25Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Congressional subpoenas and criminal subpoenas are different animals. More’s the pity. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5326 "2024-04-08T16:09:26Z")
Exactly. The reason they can ignore Congressional subpoenas is that once their guys are in charge, nothing will come of it. If Arizona issues the subpoena, well, that’s a horse of a different color. I’m confident that if Arizona felt compelled to subpoena them, they will likewise be eager to get their attention should they need to. And they have guys with guns who know what to do if you ignore the state’s friendly invitation. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5327 "2024-04-08T16:26:54Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > The reason they can ignore Congressional subpoenas is that once their guys are in charge, nothing will come of it. That’s only partially true. Congress members also enjoy varying levels of immunity and the whole space of Congressional subpoenas rests on a theorized power that’s not actually written down anywhere; it’s an assumed power from their role as overseers. How can you oversee if you can’t ask questions? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5328 "2024-04-08T16:29:03Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > it’s an assumed power from their role as overseers. How can you oversee if you can’t ask questions? No one ever _under_sees anything. It’s so confusing! ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5329 "2024-04-08T16:32:57Z")
Undersee is a perfectly cromulent and regularly (though not commonly) used word? Oversee is to watch over. Undersee, as I understand it, is to do the same but maybe with a bit more personal hands-on involvement. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5330 "2024-04-08T16:33:17Z")
The only downside I see to encouraging them to ignore criminal subpoenas is the potential of overcrowding in jails. ---
**Author:** ![peccavi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peccavi/32/388_2.png) [@peccavi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peccavi)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5331 "2024-04-08T16:47:19Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Congressional subpoenas and criminal subpoenas are different animals. > > I don’t see any value in society in propagating the concept that a criminal subpoena is optional. They will most likely invoke immunity through Article 1 of the Constitution. > They [Senators and Representatives] shall, in all cases except Treason, Felony, and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going from and returning to the same. From some relatively shallow searching, it appears that the case law is a bit mixed on the extent of this immunity, but Congress generally claims broad immunity, even when complying with subpoenas (“We are complying, but we don’t have to”) ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5332 "2024-04-08T16:53:26Z")
> [@peccavi](#): > > From some relatively shallow searching, it appears that the case law is a bit mixed on the extent of this immunity, but Congress generally claims broad immunity, even when complying with subpoenas (“We are complying, but we don’t have to”) True, I forgot about that. That said, I believe that Lindsey Graham tested this theory and it fell through. [Supreme Court says Lindsey Graham must testify in grand jury Georgia election probe : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2022/11/01/1131776586/supreme-court-lindsey-graham-grand-jury-georgia#:~:text=He%20further%20argued%20that%20the,subpoena%20to%20remain%20in%20effect). Unless they can come up with an alternative legal argument then, given that it’s the exact same matter as Graham’s case dealt with, I don’t see much wiggle room. ---
**Author:** ![peccavi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peccavi/32/388_2.png) [@peccavi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peccavi)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5333 "2024-04-08T16:58:51Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Unless they can come up with an alternative legal argument then, given that it’s the exact same matter as Graham’s case dealt with, I don’t see much wiggle room. Looking at the Graham case, it looks like they can seek to significantly limit the areas of questioning allowed, though. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2024, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5334 "2024-04-09T16:31:42Z")
Reported by _Fox_, for chrissakes: > **[Billionaire who helped Trump with $175M bond says he 'probably didn't charge...](https://www.aol.com/news/billionaire-helped-trump-175m-bond-111930635.html)** > > Billionaire businessman Don Hankey, who provided the means for Trump's $175 million bond, says the legal scrutiny brought against the money has been intense. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2024, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5335 "2024-04-09T20:25:03Z")
If Hankey fails to collect from Trump in the end, is the forgiven debt taxable income or even a campaign contribution? ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2024, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5336 "2024-04-09T20:38:30Z")
I believe forgiven debt is viewed as taxable income, but the campaign contribution question is interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5337 "2024-04-10T10:24:48Z")
Remember world-class twerp Jacob Wohl? Attorney General Letitia James (and Pepperidge Farm) do, and they want money. > **[Right-wing operatives Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman agree to pay up to $1.2...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna147019)** > > The agreement with the New York attorney general's office comes after the pair were fined $5 million by the FCC and pleaded guilty to related charges in Ohio. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5338 "2024-04-10T10:29:29Z")
Those two are the idiocy that keeps on giving. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5339 "2024-04-10T11:42:52Z")
You shouldn’t talk about the future White House Press Secretary like that! ---
**Author:** ![Karen\_Lingel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karen_lingel/32/18649_2.png) [@Karen\_Lingel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karen_Lingel)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5340 "2024-04-10T23:13:57Z")
“…focus on their families and careers” These two jerks still have “careers”??? ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5341 "2024-04-10T23:33:59Z")
“Careers” = More grifting opportunities. After all, there have to be some MAGATS out there with some pennies in their pocket that Trump hasn’t gotten to yet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250.md?page=266) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250.md?page=268)