# A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 19, 2023, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250 "2023-05-19T03:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 282
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2024, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5622 "2024-04-24T19:40:04Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > > [@Monty](#): > > > > From wherre I sit, it seems like he’s already been on the planet for 200 years. > > Tell me about it. I was a _Spy_ Magazine subscriber. Heheheh. In which he was invariably referred to as a [“short-fingered vulgarian.”](https://www.npr.org/2016/03/07/469209254/decades-later-spy-magazine-founders-continue-to-torment-trump) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2024, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5623 "2024-04-24T20:50:08Z")
I guess this is the best thread for it. The _Gateway Pundit_, a leader of conspiracy theories and one of the primary purveyors of the 2020 election fraud story, has declared bankrupcy. [https://www.mediaite.com/news/the-gateway-pundit-infamous-conspiracy-blog-declares-bankruptcy-after-suit-from-election-workers/](https://www.mediaite.com/news/the-gateway-pundit-infamous-conspiracy-blog-declares-bankruptcy-after-suit-from-election-workers/) > [@](#): > > Georgia election workers **Ruby Freeman** and her daughter, Shaye Moss, sued the Gateway Pundit in December of 2021, alleging that Jim and Joe Hoft, twin brothers behind the conspiracy theory site, engaged in “a campaign of lies” that “instigated a deluge of intimidation, harassment, and threats that has forced them to change their phone numbers, delete their online accounts, and fear for their physical safety.” Of course, according to the Pundit, it’s a liberal plot: > [@](#): > > **Jim Hoft** published a message on the website that read: “TGP Communications, the parent company of The Gateway Pundit, recently made the decision to seek protection under Chapter 11 of the United States Bankruptcy Code in the Southern District of Florida as a result of the progressive liberal lawfare attacks against our media outlet.” Hope they get taken for every cent. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2024, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5624 "2024-04-24T21:10:02Z")
Alas for them, bankruptcy [likely does not relieve them](https://www.findlaw.com/bankruptcy/what-is-bankruptcy/ask-a-lawyer--can-bankruptcy-clear-lawsuit-judgments-.html) of the election workers judgment: > Two additional types of debt are generally considered non-dischargeable and not removed by bankruptcy. These two kinds of debts are those relating to: > > ``` > Willful or malicious injury > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5625 "2024-04-24T21:13:59Z")
I’m okay with them losing everything, and still owing money for their harassment. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2024, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5626 "2024-04-24T21:37:26Z")
> [@](#): > > "Donald Trump is the only criminal defendant I have ever seen who cannot round up a single family member to sit in the front row of the courtroom in support of criminal defendant Donald Trump… Would family members of the defendant get some sort of reserved seating in the courtroom, or would they have to get there early and wait in line with all the press who also want to be there? ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2024, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5627 "2024-04-24T23:22:20Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > > [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > > > Does the title of unindicted generally mean not going to be indicted, or does it mean not yet indicted? > > It could be either, but I think in this case it means “not likely to be indicted,” or they would have done so by now. Another possibility, specifically regarding the 6th Jan case, would be - not to muddy up the trial of individual 1. Dragging congressional persons who may have cooperated/organized the false elector lists involves a lot more constitutional issues; more delays and appeals. I suspect there are a dozen or more with dirty hands and others with knowledge of the plot. (The riot was just a smokescreen, a possible pretext to stop the proceedings while the actual plan to cram in the illegal slates was in progress - lynching Pence was a sideshow; the plot involved whisking him off to Minot, ND or further off the planet). My fondest hope is Jack Smith nails DontheCon, then devotes himself and team to scouring the nation of the scum who hatched or knew of the plan to overthrow the government. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2024, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5628 "2024-04-24T23:29:29Z")
A slew of Trump’s posse, including Mark Meadows and Rudy Giuliani, have been indicted in the Arizona fake electors plot. > **[Meadows, Giuliani and other Trump allies charged in Arizona 2020 election probe](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/04/24/arizona-2020-election-charges-meadows-giuliani-ellis/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNzEzOTMxMjAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNzE1MzEzNTk5LCJpYXQiOjE3MTM5MzEyMDAsImp0aSI6IjAyODcwNmNlLWRkYWMtNDY4ZC04OGQ0LTdjNzBiZDhmNmExZCIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9uYXRpb25hbC1zZWN1cml0eS8yMDI0LzA0LzI0L2FyaXpvbmEtMjAyMC1lbGVjdGlvbi1jaGFyZ2VzLW1lYWRvd3MtZ2l1bGlhbmktZWxsaXMvIn0.o4cMR9z6lsx9Pb-cJZgqOs9KQIFJcaGEZak5jNQ0hNg&itid=gfta)** > > The indictments cap a year-long investigation by Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes (D) into how the 2020 pro-Trump elector strategy played out in Arizona, which Biden won by 10,457 votes. (gift link) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2024, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5629 "2024-04-24T23:34:16Z")
And Boris Epshteyn!! Finally, a case that names that awful clown!! ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2024, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5630 "2024-04-25T00:11:51Z")
Could the man who immolated himself be causing Trump’s fans to be reluctant to come stand in the park for hours? First, I know I’d be reluctant to stand where that sort of thing could happen. I mean, the cameras are all still there. They could attract anything. Second, it shows what full-on commitment to an idea looks like, and they’re not really willing to commit that fully. It’s embarrassing to be outshone like that. In a related question, has Trump made any reference to the burning man? Does he know that it happened? ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2024, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5631 "2024-04-25T00:36:59Z")
The dude burning himself up had nothing to do with Trump. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2024, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5632 "2024-04-25T00:55:48Z")
Granted, per all reporting they were just taking advantage of the maximum publicity, but… Considering how much of Trump’s base is built out of Qanon / CT / Looney-tunes conspiracy theorists, the fact that he didn’t have anything to do with Trump other than proximity is going to be of negligible value. After all, he was one of them. I wouldn’t be surprised if later he ends up being made into some sort of quasi-saint like Babbitt , because, you know, he died to get the “truth” out. And they’ll blame Democrats, even if he included pretty much everyone in authority, because Democrats are in charge of the state/nation for … reasons. I mean, we’re talking about folks that believe in reptillians and FSM knows what else. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2024, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5633 "2024-04-25T00:57:59Z")
> [@dougrb](#): > > The dude burning himself up had nothing to do with Trump. This is known. This is well known. But he did it in the park, the park that Trump wants to fill with fans. And the fans may be reluctant to go to the park for immolation related reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2024, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5634 "2024-04-25T01:06:47Z")
The fans could gather at any courthouse in any state they choose. If they’re not comfortable to collect in Manhattan, they have lots and lots of other options. They’re not gathering _anywhere_. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2024, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5635 "2024-04-25T01:08:16Z")
To reword a popular 1960s saying, “What if Trump held a rally and nobody came?” ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2024, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5636 "2024-04-25T01:09:34Z")
I think if it was advertised that someone would be setting themselves on fire, MAGA fans would show up in droves. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2024, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5637 "2024-04-25T01:10:27Z")
So, you don’t think that, wherever they’re not gathering, Trump fans feel a little one-upped? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2024, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5638 "2024-04-25T01:15:23Z")
\< stage whisper \> I think they’re getting a little sick of him. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2024, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5639 "2024-04-25T01:32:52Z")
We can hope. I mean, if it’s possible for him to be overexposed, these trials will do it. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2024, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5640 "2024-04-25T01:43:34Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > “What if Trump held a rally and nobody came?” Does a Trump shit in the courtroom? ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2024, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/5641 "2024-04-25T02:08:18Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > A slew of Trump’s posse, including Mark Meadows and Rudy Giuliani, have been indicted So Rudy, who has already filed bankruptcy, is going to go broke and _then_ go to prison, whereas Trump is going to go to prison and _then_ go broke? Got it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250.md?page=281) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250.md?page=283)