# A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 19, 2023, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250 "2023-05-19T03:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 379
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/7562 "2024-08-14T14:10:43Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > I have trouble finding corroborating sources. > He posted a ~90M bond and is appealing the verdict? Here you go; it happened in early March. As per this Reuters article: > [@](#): > > The posting of a bond also means Carroll, 80, wouldn’t collect on the judgment during the appeals process, which could take years. So, no…if this article is correct, she has _not_ yet been paid. [https://www.reuters.com/legal/donald-trump-appeals-e-jean-carrolls-833-million-defamation-verdict-2024-03-08/](https://www.reuters.com/legal/donald-trump-appeals-e-jean-carrolls-833-million-defamation-verdict-2024-03-08/) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/7563 "2024-08-14T14:17:59Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > So, no…if this article is correct, she has _not_ yet been paid. > > [https://www.reuters.com/legal/donald-trump-appeals-e-jean-carrolls-833-million-defamation-verdict-2024-03-08/](https://www.reuters.com/legal/donald-trump-appeals-e-jean-carrolls-833-million-defamation-verdict-2024-03-08/) That was what I understood. > [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Did Carroll get paid? Yes, absolutely for the full amount. if “for the full amount” is the same as “not a dime” then you are completely correct. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/7564 "2024-08-14T14:46:20Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > The 400 Blows And _Air Bud_. I’ll let someone else figure out the Venn diagram of those two. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/7565 "2024-08-14T15:18:34Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > if “for the full amount” is the same as “not a dime” then you are completely correct. Ok, fair enough. I got that wrong. She hasn’t been paid yet, but the money is sitting there waiting for the appeals process to play out. So, at least the bond company has put up $90+ million so far and Trump has, with high probability, put at least a little money down towards that (there’s the possibility the company put up his bond without any collateral whatsoever, but that is very unlikely bordering on criminally negligent). That is a requirement of the appeals process. The money has to be there so he doesn’t skive off later if the appeals judgment go against him. So, yes, he’s paid into a fund that should eventually make its way to her. He’s still out that money, even if it isn’t the full amount out of his own pocket and even if it hasn’t gotten to Carroll yet. And, either way, the company that put up the bond is very likely going to get stiffed. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/7566 "2024-08-14T15:19:28Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > It is a misconception that a losing defendant in a civil case says, “Damn, I lost,” and breaks out the chequebook in the courtroom. When the USFL sued the NFL, they won and were awarded $3.00. It would have been awesome if someone from the NFL just paid them cash on the spot. And it’s relevant to this thread. The USFL started as a spring league. It changed to the fall, and subsequently sued the NFL, at the urging of Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/7567 "2024-08-14T15:34:24Z")
This needs to go here too: > [@What are these Dominion Voting Machines? (Fox News and Dominion have settled for $787.5 million)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-these-dominion-voting-machines-fox-news-and-dominion-have-settled-for-787-5-million/926845/200): > > A lawyer has been removed from the Dominion defamation case (yes, that’s still going on too) for leaking all kinds of documents. I know it’s been said before so many times, but it looks like she just executed her own legal career, and for what? A pat on the head from Trump? I’d say “What was she thinking?” but thinking does not appear to be involved at any point. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/7568 "2024-08-14T15:34:24Z")
AsI remember it-- please correct me-- Orangeboy wanted to buy the Buffalo Bills. Only a few (4 or 5?) owners approved his purchase attempt, the rest did not, wanting to see liquid funds to cover the costs. He only used properties as his collateral. The NFL owners did not approve the purchase, probably wanting him to sell of few of the “hugely, bigly” profitable properties just to show some real collateral, but didn’t get his approval. Then he decided to make his own league and look at all those stats we see on Sports Center nowadays! ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/7569 "2024-08-14T15:34:42Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > And it’s relevant to this thread. The USFL started as a spring league. It changed to the fall, and subsequently sued the NFL, at the urging of Donald Trump. The USFL was when I first became aware of what a pompous conman Trump was. I was a high school football player at the time and had gone to see a USFL game. It also partly explains the connection between Trump and Herschel Walker–Walker played for Trump’s New Jersey Generals. Trump apparently thought he could force a merger between the USFL and the NFL and he would become a NFL owner. The NFL owners, much like old-money Manhattan, had little respect and a lot of disdain for Trump and wouldn’t let sad Donald into their club. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/7570 "2024-08-14T15:41:19Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > When the USFL sued the NFL, they won and were awarded $3.00. It would have been awesome if someone from the NFL just paid them cash on the spot. “Can you break a five?” ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/7571 "2024-08-14T15:46:10Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > When the USFL sued the NFL, they won and were awarded $3.00. It would have been awesome if someone from the NFL just paid them cash on the spot. [The day Donald Trump’s narcissism killed the USFL](https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/sep/11/the-day-donald-trumps-narcissism-killed-the-usfl) > “I had a lot of friends in the NFL, and when they heard the first part of the verdict they were terrified,” said Carl Peterson, the Stars’ general manager. “It was clear to everyone listening that the NFL was in big trouble.” > > Rozelle hadn’t made it to the courtroom in time for the verdict. He was stuck in traffic, listening to the trial on WCBS Radio, which was broadcasting live. His car was on 23rd Street, and the announcer said, “The National Football League has been found guilty.” A furious Rozelle ordered the driver to turn the car around and take him back to league offices. > > And yet, in less than five minutes, USFL joy was replaced by USFL horror, and NFL horror was replaced by NFL joy. After confirming that, yes, the NFL had violated the law, the jury awarded damages of … _$1._ > > Yes, one dollar. > > “Actually, $3,” said David Cataneo, who covered the trial for the _Boston Herald._ “Damages in antitrust laws are tripled.” > > Rozelle had the car turn around again and speed to the courthouse. Trump, already there, was sitting alongside John Mara, the son of New York Giants’ owner Wellington Mara. When the words “one dollar” emerged from Leisure’s lips, the younger Mara pulled out a $1 bill from his wallet and handed it to the Generals’ owner. Trump’s sunken expression was worth the price. > > Thanks to Myerson and Trump and a strategy that made little to no sense, the USFL walked out of the courtroom with $3 to its name. “I covered that trial, and you had to hate Trump,” said Chris “Mad Dog” Russo, who hosted the Renegades’ postgame show. “I just never saw how anyone liked him.” Sibilia could not get past two things: (1) that the USFL’s dysfunction was the greatest culprit in the league’s failings, and (2) Trump was awful. “He was extremely arrogant and I thought that he was obviously trying to play the game. He wanted an NFL franchise … the USFL was a cheap way in.” ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/7572 "2024-08-14T16:08:47Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > What happened to the 400 million Engoron awarded? – at this point US judges should start wearing bigger shoes and invest in red noses. > [@kenobi\_65](#): > > So, no…if this article is correct, she has _not_ yet been paid. > > [https://www.reuters.com/legal/donald-trump-appeals-e-jean-carrolls-833-million-defamation-verdict-2024-03-08/](https://www.reuters.com/legal/donald-trump-appeals-e-jean-carrolls-833-million-defamation-verdict-2024-03-08/) @The_Librarian, maybe you can explain how this translates into _the American Judge_ being a clown. Judge Kaplan did his part. It’s the bond company that decides how much collateral they will require to post the bond on behalf of their client. ---
**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/7573 "2024-08-14T16:24:06Z")
Wow. I didn’t know about the USFL debacle! What a scummy asshole he was. (Still is.) Reminds me of Billy Ray and Louis at the end of the orange juice trading holding up $1 and paying off the bet. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/7574 "2024-08-14T16:26:32Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > AsI remember it-- please correct me-- Orangeboy wanted to buy the Buffalo Bills. This is true, but the timeline is incorrect. Trump tried to buy the Colts in 1981 and again in 1983 but was denied both times. So he bought the USFL Generals after the 1983 season, and then subsequently tried to force the merger with the NFL, as has been mentioned. The lawsuit was a major role in the cancellation of the 1986 season, and the league collapsed shortly thereafter. Fast forward to 2014, when Trump tried to buy the Buffalo Bills, but couldn’t get the credit, as you mentioned. This fact was brought up in his fraud trial in New York. [Donald Trump Couldn’t Get Credit To Buy Buffalo Bills, Former Bank Exec Says - Sports Illustrated Buffalo Bills News, Analysis and More](https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/buffalo-bills-donald-trump-no-credit-buy-team-bid-2014) ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/7575 "2024-08-14T16:31:14Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > The ShitGibbon’s campaign was hacked, because Roger Stone (!) responded to a phishing attempt targeted at his AOL email account, which was enough to allow the nefarious interlopers to get access into the system. This in itself is snertworthy. Heheh, I thought that schadenfreude was too rich and creamy to be real when I read it. Mr. Magoo was the one that did the clicking!?! Yep, apparently so. 🤣 🤣 🤣 > **[Suspected Iranian hackers breached Roger Stone’s personal email as part of...](https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/12/politics/trump-campaign-hack-personal-email-account-fbi/index.html)** > > The FBI and other investigators probing the apparent hack-and-leak of Trump campaign documents, which Donald Trump has blamed on Iran, suspect that the hackers were able to compromise the personal email account of longtime Republican... ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/7576 "2024-08-14T16:48:33Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > Only a few (4 or 5?) owners approved his purchase attempt, the rest did not, wanting to see liquid funds to cover the costs. That was for the latest attempt in the 2010s before the Pegulas won the bid. His business record was well known to be spotty by then, so the fact he got any approvals is rather surprising. Or perhaps not given the events of the subsequent decade. He did NOT create his own league after that. Forget profitability. Just setting a league up at all and playing even a single game requires much more dedication, leadership, and competence than Trump has ever shown in his life. He did make noises about it, but c’mon, he’d never actually do the work required for it. @Robot_Arm was referring to the USFL thing from back in the 80s. He didn’t create that either. After being rebuffed by the NFL, he bought a USFL team to try to backdoor his way in by a league merger. Instead, he helped run that league into the ground (as referenced above). And the NFL rejected Trump outright back then. It wasn’t even an old money thing. Or at least not entirely. They were concerned about his associations with the Mafia and/or people with mob connections (Roy Cohn figures big here). No way the owners wanted to get anywhere near that. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/7577 "2024-08-14T17:15:10Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > The day Donald Trump’s narcissism killed the USFL Great article. Only Donald Trump could make NFL owners look like sympathetic everymen looking out for the little guy. > [@eschereal](#): > > Thing is, some internal campaign emails were leaked to the press, but the press has decided that they cannot in good conscience allow the public to see any of this material. I’m don’t think that this is going to keep them from getting out. If the hackers leaked them to the press they presumably want them out. They don’t have to got through the press, they can just upload it to an anonymous file hosting site and post a link on Reddit. Once its out there in public, the Press can report on the story. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/7578 "2024-08-14T17:30:19Z")
Right now my agency is very focused on trying to educate everyone here about why it’s so important to be cautious about phishing. I wish I could share the story about Roger Stone but it would be way too political and could get me in trouble. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/7579 "2024-08-14T18:41:27Z")
[Trump-supporting former UK PM gets pranked](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/not-funny-liz-truss-storms-off-stage-as-lettuce-stunt-crashes-her-pro-trump-event/ar-AA1oMmcH) > But Truss seemed completely oblivious as a banner depicting a lettuce (with goggly eyes) slowly unfurled from the ceiling behind her. > > To make matters worse, it had the words, “I crashed the economy” written on there, too. > The stunt, [from activist group Led By Donkeys,](https://x.com/ByDonkeys)is a throwback to the famous Daily Star [trick](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taW_3T7QzUA), where the newspaper set up a[livestream of](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taW_3T7QzUA) a lettuce to see which would last longer — Truss’s career in Downing Street after her [mini-Budget](https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/news/mini-budget/) or the salad item. Truss was not amused. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/7580 "2024-08-14T18:50:08Z")
SchadeNCfreude: > **[Trump campaign forced to pay North Carolina city $82K in advance for rally](https://www.newsweek.com/trump-campaign-forced-pay-north-carolina-city-82k-advance-rally-1938769)** > > Trump has a history of failing to pay cities for rally fees if they are not paid in advance. :cue sad trombones: > [@](#): > > Trump is set to take the stage at Asheville’s Thomas Wolfe Auditorium on Wednesday after paying $82,247.60 to the city for a “last-minute” rally, according to Blue Ridge Public Radio (BPR). The campaign, struggling to effectively blunt the momentum of Vice President Kamala Harris, reportedly first contacted the city about the rally on August 8. > > City of Asheville spokesperson Kim Miller told BPR that $22,500 of the amount paid is a two-day rental fee for the auditorium, while “the remainder of the funds go to cover additional costs such as house support, production staff, production equipment rental, and exterior items like queue stanchions and port-a-loos.” > > … (later) … > > The Trump campaign booked the smaller of two venues at the same complex in downtown Asheville for Wednesday’s rally. The Thomas Wolfe Auditorium has a capacity of just 2,431 people, while a larger arena next door that is not hosting Trump has a capacity of 7,200. That’s $33.83 per potential attendee, assuming all 2,431 spots are booked. (The rally is happening today, btw.) ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/7581 "2024-08-14T19:00:08Z")
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