# A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 19, 2023, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250 "2023-05-19T03:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2023, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/81 "2023-05-25T19:33:19Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > 18 years. 18. Eighteen. That’s pretty harsh for organizing a peaceful tour. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2023, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/82 "2023-05-25T20:51:39Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Yeah, not a slap on the wrist… like most are getting. I hope other Judges will follow with this example. For all of these clowns. > > I worry what the US will be like in 18 years though. I might be around to see it. You might not have to wait that long, depending on how the '24 election goes. That 18 years might become two or so. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2023, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/83 "2023-05-25T20:58:50Z")
Can you explain to me what the second amendment was designed for exactly? I may be a naive foreigner, but it had something to do with fighting a tyrannical State in my recollection. Would such an unjust decision not qualify? Please don’t get me wrong: I am not advocating for or against nothing, I have no say in matters related to the governing of your country, just trying to understand the logic. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2023, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/84 "2023-05-25T21:09:19Z")
If this is satire, well, fine, but I don’t find it very funny. If it’s not satire, I have no idea what you’re talking about. If you wanted to discuss the 2nd amendment, there are approximately 70 gazillion threads already on that topic. ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2023, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/85 "2023-05-25T21:22:28Z")
At the time the second amendment was adopted, the nascent American nation had no standing army. Nor did they want one. One of their grievances against George III was that he quartered his troops in their homes - that is, he made the colonists feed and shelter his soldiers at their expense. They were being forced to fund an occupying army (as they saw it) to their own detriment. When the colonies became independent, they decided to dispense with a formal permanent military. Instead, in times of trouble, the governors of each state would call up a militia made of up able-bodied (male) citizens who would assemble to defend their home and/or to go assist neighboring states with their security. To that end, citizens needed to be able to maintain their own muskets and other colonial-era arms (bayonets?). Thus, the second amendment reads “A well-ordered militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to bear arms should not be infringed.” Note that the point of this was to provide security for the **state** - not to ensure that any yahoo who feels that he shouldn’t have to pay his taxes is entitled to try to overthrow the government. Constitutional scholars routinely point out that the entire meaning of the second amendment has been perverted by the modern pro-gun-NRA-worshipping crowd. Also note that at the time, “arms” generally meant muskets and bayonets. AK-47-type weapons were not a thing. Anyhoo, within a few years, it became obvious that this militia thing wasn’t going to work in practice. If Virginia, say, needed to call up a temporary army to put down a disturbance, New York and Georgia were going to politely decline to send any of their citizens to help out. Let Viriginia handle it. So a few amendments down the road, the new government allowed for the creation of a standing Army and Navy headed by the President as commander-in-chief. At that point, the second amendment was functionally obsolete as “well-ordered militias” were not needed any more to maintain national order. It was never repealed, however. Before the 1980s, that phrase “well-ordered” had been interpreted by courts to mean that the federal government could regulate the possession of firearms. It’s only been in the last forty years or so that the idea that anybody should be able to have access to anything and carry it wherever and whenever has taken hold. We haven’t always been this insane when it came to gun laws. An outlier among nations, yes, but the extremes we are seeing today have not always been with us. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2023, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/86 "2023-05-25T22:15:12Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > Can you explain to me what the second amendment was designed for exactly? > [@Toxgoddess](#): > > At the time the second amendment was adopted, Great answer, but WTF does this have to do with the thread topic? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2023, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/87 "2023-05-25T22:15:58Z")
(Continuing off of ToxGoddess’s previous post to answer Pardel-Lux) In any case the right to violently overthrow the government, tyrannical or not, is not, and has never been constitutional. The founders weren’t idiots and recognized that t was impossible to form a lasting stable government if you encourage your citizens to overthrow you. See the [Whiskey rebellion.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion) ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2023, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/88 "2023-05-25T22:17:43Z")
Too late to erase my post, sorry. Please ignore it. I have crossed a line, did not mean to. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2023, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/89 "2023-05-25T22:30:52Z")
No problem, happens to the best of us! ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2023, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/90 "2023-05-25T22:42:02Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Great answer Except this part… > [@Toxgoddess](#): > > So a few amendments down the road, the new government allowed for the creation of a standing Army and Navy headed by the President as commander-in-chief. That’s completely made up. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2023, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/91 "2023-05-25T22:46:33Z")
Trump had rehearsals with the staff on what and where to hide boxes “just in case”. MeidasTouch on a Washington Post article. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbmpz1Vrl7w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbmpz1Vrl7w) ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2023, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/92 "2023-05-26T00:21:56Z")
The Texas House investigating committee has unanimously recommended that Paxton be impeached. It’s amazing how quickly this is unfolding after he’s avoided justice for literally a decade. > **[Texas House committee recommends impeachment of Attorney General Ken Paxton](https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/25/ken-paxton-impeachment-investigation/)** > > Paxton, reelected last year by voters who shrugged off his scandals, now faces the prospect of impeachment by a House of Representatives chamber in which he may have few remaining allies. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2023, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/93 "2023-05-26T01:10:49Z")
> [@dougrb](#): > > Trump had rehearsals with the staff on what and where to hide boxes “just in case”. Reading through the Washington Post article, it’s difficult on a close read to make much of anything they say. In short, they specify exactly that: 1. Trump had some boxes of something moved INTO a storage AREA, the day before they allowed the DOJ to come over and pick up the initial set of 38 documents for return. 2. The NYT reported, a month ago, about Trump holding what some officials described as a first step to preparing to hide stuff - a “dress rehearsal”. This would have been within a few weeks of receiving the initial subpoena that lead the return of the 38 documents. But there are no details about this event beyond a description that Trump mentioned something about “keeping what’s his” while looking through documents…and that’s it. Issues with #1: It’s not clear where the boxes came from. It’s not clear that the storage AREA is different from the storage ROOM where most of everything was later found. Putting a box back into storage room that it came from, after being asked to find classified documents, seems fairly benign, expectable, and encouraged. Taking documents from the storage ROOM and moving them to the separate and different storage AREA, before inviting a DOJ agent to come and inspect your storage ROOM, is concerning. Distinguishing between the two is pretty vital to the story. Not clarifying any of that is bad reporting. Issues with #2: I can’t open the specified NYT article (“Witnesses asked about Trump’s handling of classified map”) but everything that other sites wrote about it at the time sounds completely disconnected from the WP’s description. But ignoring that, the larger issue is that we’re being told that Trump looked through boxes that had a mix of stuff - mostly magazines which featured articles about his presidency - and said, “I want to make sure that my stuff stays here.” Unless he was showing and pointing to a classified document as he said it, there’s no particular reason to assume that he meant anything other than that he wanted to keep that stuff which was legitimately his to keep. There’s no mention of him telling people to move stuff out of sight nor burn it, it just says that he took a quick peek through and commented about wanting to not lose his things. It’s hard to understand, from the details given, how we go from there to someone in government describing the episode as a “dress rehearsal”. And I say all this to fault the WP for bad writing, bad question asking, or putting too much trust in its sources, not to defend Trump. If the official who described the situation as a “dress rehearsal” is someone in the DOJ then I’d presume that there’s a better account of the matter that better explains that description. But, if the “official” is a Congressman who was briefed on the matter and, of his lonesome, decided to interpret “I want to keep my stuff” as _clearly indicating_ that Trump was undoubtedly searching for the items that he’ll need to come and grab, himself, if the FBI shows up, knocking. I’m not sure that I’d accept the reasonableness of the description. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2023, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/94 "2023-05-26T01:13:25Z")
Well that is certainly a lot of words. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2023, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/95 "2023-05-26T01:13:42Z")
That’s because Rhodes [an eye single to the glory](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/despicableme/images/4/47/MTROG_Stuart.png/revision/latest) that is Trump. > [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > Would such an unjust decision not qualify? How is this sentence unjust? I mean, I think justice would have been met if Rhodes had been sentenced to well over 25 years. However, I don’t get the idea you agree with me there. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2023, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/96 "2023-05-26T01:19:04Z")
The WP article is 31 paragraphs. The two numbered sections that I wrote (four sentences) is all of the details that are given in the article. I’d you want an even more shorterest version, I’m happy to make another go. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2023, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/97 "2023-05-26T01:19:47Z")
No, we’re good. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2023, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/98 "2023-05-26T07:46:06Z")
Oh, so that is the problem! I was answering to **bobot** who wrote > You might not have to wait that long, depending on how the '24 election goes. That 18 years might become two or so. and asked if the second amendment is designed to fight this kind of injustices commited by the state (the pardon Trump is announcing, to be sure). And you thought I was complaining the sentence was unjust, because too long! Well, sorry again it was not clear that I was replying to **bobot** and that I meant something completely different. Still I feel no wish to discuss the second amendment anymore, not even in the context of Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2023, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/99 "2023-05-26T07:58:53Z")
Nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment. I was just curious why you considered the sentence unjust. To be clear: I think justice would have required a _longer_ sentence, but then I’m not privy to what the jury and judge were. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2023, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/100 "2023-05-26T12:56:03Z")
Weasel fight!! I hate DeSantis almost as much as I hate trump. He’s just as vicious, and smarter, but without that ‘secret sauce’ trump has. I hope they claw each other to shreds until there’s nothing left politically. > **[DeSantis is going after Trump like never before | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/25/politics/desantis-trump-strategy/index.html)** > > Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, now officially a candidate for president, is no longer tiptoeing around former President Donald Trump – nor is he being shy about his plans to flex the powers of the presidency like never before if he wins the White House. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250.md?page=6)