# A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 19, 2023, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250 "2023-05-19T03:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/1281 "2023-08-14T16:56:18Z")
Usually in criminal cases, unlike civil trials, a witness who won’t testify because of the 5th amendment is never put on the stand in front of the jury. I’m not sure it never happens, but I think most judges would rather not complicate things, and if he’s not going to answer questions, there’s no probative value of his declining to answer. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/1282 "2023-08-14T16:56:57Z")
I’d expect that Navarro was told to assert executive privilege by Trump’s counsel, not directly by Trump. It would be Trump’s legal counsel that would need to testify and, also, who would be safe to testify in Navarro’s defense. I’d be skeptical that Navarro won’t be able to successfully make the argument. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/1283 "2023-08-14T17:38:53Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > if he’s not going to answer questions, there’s no probative value of his declining to answer. Isn’t that no probative value to that witness? For the defendant, someone else declining to answer could be probative to the defendant. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/1284 "2023-08-14T18:39:59Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Usually in criminal cases, unlike civil trials, a witness who won’t testify because of the 5th amendment is never put on the stand in front of the jury. I’m not sure it never happens Definitely not never, but I could believe it’s vanishingly rare. Probably the most famous example of it actually happening would be Mark Fuhrman in the OJ trial. Though now that I think about it, was that the second time Furman was on the stand? If so, I don’t think that would count as an exception for what you’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/1285 "2023-08-15T11:03:56Z")
I do believe it’s time for the [Snoopy Happy Dance](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTF4gN6XhF0)! > [**Trump, 18 allies indicted on RICO charges by Georgia grand jury: Full coverage**](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-indictment-georgia-live-updates-fani-willis-2020-election-003852093.html) > > Former President Donald Trump and 18 others have been indicted by a grand jury in Georgia on criminal charges stemming from Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis’s long-running investigation into their attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in that state. > > Speaking after the indictment was unsealed late Monday, Willis said the defendants have until noon on Aug. 25 to surrender. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/1286 "2023-08-15T11:06:51Z")
What a way to start the day! ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/1287 "2023-08-15T11:29:30Z")
🎉 🎆 I’ve nothing else to say. It’s 5:30 am and it’s time to celebrate. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/1288 "2023-08-15T11:33:55Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > What a way to start the day! For me, on vacation in the Republic of Korea, it’s a wonderful end to the day! ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/1289 "2023-08-15T11:42:33Z")
The European press is writing that the use of the RICO Act means that this charge is really _really_ serious. Is that right? I mean, saying the whole thing slowly and clearly sounds great to me (I [looked it up](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act) to be sure, it is complicated to a non lawyer): **Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act**. Let that sink in\* and try not to get carried away\*\* \* (c) stolen by Elmo \*\* (c) still in the public domain. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/1290 "2023-08-15T12:12:47Z")
As far as I’ve heard, it means 5 years minimum. So that ain’t nothin’ ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/1291 "2023-08-15T12:19:20Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > **Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act**. Trump is protesting that he doesn’t even own a jetpack… ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/1292 "2023-08-15T12:20:28Z")
Plus he can’t fucking dance. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/1293 "2023-08-15T12:31:04Z")
Didn’t he [fire](https://schumanchu.eu/html/l/l_00007fired.html) some? Anyway, the one with the [rocket](https://schumanchu.eu/html/l/l_00011kimjongdon.html) was the small fat one with glasses, he is the one who is meant now. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/1294 "2023-08-15T12:31:14Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > Trump is protesting that he doesn’t even own a jetpack… I see what you did there. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/1295 "2023-08-15T14:18:34Z")
And I think it’s gonna be a long, long time 'Til conviction brings me 'round again to find I’m not the man they think I am at home Oh, no, no, no I’m a racket man Racket man, burping out his Truths up here alone ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/1296 "2023-08-15T14:41:23Z")
this happened last night, the poster for schadenfreude. [Hillary Clinton Interview After Trump Indictment Lights Up X | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-trump-indictment-interview_n_64db4735e4b08e55c4cd972b) ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/1297 "2023-08-15T14:52:10Z")
Hah! She used the word “Enablers”! We’ve made the Big Leagues, Dopers! ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/1298 "2023-08-15T15:10:57Z")
“I don’t feel any satisfaction,” Clinton answered. “I just feel great profound sadness that we have a former president who has been indicted for so many charges.” — Hillary Clinton I’m impressed with her focus on the big picture here. It’s so true — happy as we may be as we see justice (we hope) prevail, more profoundly it’s just awful that it had to come to this. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/1299 "2023-08-15T15:25:37Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > I’m impressed with her focus on the big picture here. It’s so true — happy as we may be as we see justice (we hope) prevail, more profoundly it’s just awful that it had to come to this. “I feel a great profound sadness that IT TOOK SO DAMN LONG.” - enipla ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/1300 "2023-08-15T15:29:31Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > this happened last night LOCK HIM UP!!! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250.md?page=66)