# A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 3) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [January 20, 2025, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-3/1013175 "2025-01-20T19:23:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 101
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2025, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-3/1013175/2001 "2025-11-14T22:17:27Z")
That’s hard to argue with! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2025, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-3/1013175/2002 "2025-11-14T22:32:14Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I don’t believe for a second that Epstein was the guy that killed Epstein. I’m under the “unsure” category. The way everything was handled was such a shitshow. > **[In cell where Jeffrey Epstein died, a scene of disarray that never underwent...](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-cell-where-he-died-disarray-no-thorough-inspection/)** > > Photos of Jeffrey Epstein's cell show a scene of disarray that never underwent a proper inspection, according to experts. Even Bill Barr seemed to shrug about the finding of suicide. > While many who were close to Epstein have publicly questioned that he died by suicide, Barr has said it was — and remains — the most logical conclusion. The alternative would’ve been too complicated, Barr said in his August deposition. > > “This would’ve required coordination from probably two dozen people, maybe, within the prison. And all these people were in different groups,” Barr said. "You know, the people who were repairing the cameras, the people who, you know, were responsible for opening and closing the door, the people who were responsible for putting in a new cellmate, things like that. " The scene was so fucked up that I don’t think it was possible to do a proper investigation. Too much shit had been moved around, it was a mess. Whether intentional or negligent. I am generally not a proponent of conspiracy theories, but the idea that Epstein’s suicide was staged and covered up seems like probably the most plausible CT I’ve ever heard of. The only real counter I can bring is that Inspector General Michael Horowitz concluded it was suicide, and he seems to be pretty unbiased and reliable given his job history and experience. [NPR: Negligence, staff failures led to Jeffrey Epstein’s suicide, a DOJ report says](https://www.npr.org/2023/06/27/1184380805/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-department) > Inspector General Michael Horowitz appeared to directly [address far-right conspiracy theories](https://www.npr.org/2022/09/08/1121525125/heres-why-conspiracy-theories-about-jeffrey-epstein-keep-flourishing)that have flourished in the wake of Epstein’s death. > > He said though there were failures at several levels, and Epstein appeared to receive special treatment while in jail, his death was still a suicide. > > “While we determined MCC New York staff engaged in significant misconduct, we did not uncover evidence contradicting the FBI’s determination there was no criminality in connection with how Epstein died,” Inspector General Michael Horowitz said in a message provided in the report. But I’m not saying this rules it out. He concluded that he didn’t find evidence that contradicted the official findings, he didn’t say he found evidence that proved it or ruled out any other possibility. At least that’s how I interpret it. I doubt we’ll ever know the truth. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2025, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-3/1013175/2003 "2025-11-14T22:41:48Z")
I see the idea that it was suicide as a conspiracy theory to cover a murder. But, I guess we don’t know. (And I give a flying fuck what Bill Barr says about it.) ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2025, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-3/1013175/2004 "2025-11-14T22:46:44Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > to party with Boebert “…a known troll and bigot, a woman of notoriously vile and intemperate disposition.” ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2025, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-3/1013175/2005 "2025-11-14T22:48:50Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > (And I give a flying fuck what Bill Barr says about it.) I only mentioned him, because he was the first person to give an authoritative declaration as far as I know, and no official has contradicted it since, either from autopsy or any other following investigations. And I also mentioned it because he seemed to reach his conclusion by saying it is effectively the simplest explanation, which is an extremely weak argument. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2025, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-3/1013175/2006 "2025-11-14T22:52:40Z")
Even if Epstein did kill himself, there’s no way of knowing if something was said to him to trigger his suicide. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2025, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-3/1013175/2007 "2025-11-14T22:56:52Z")
Epstein’s death benefits Trump. The story of what happened should be proven, else it’s false. Unless one is unfamiliar with how it is that things that benefit Trump come to be. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2025, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-3/1013175/2008 "2025-11-14T23:01:22Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Even if Epstein did kill himself, there’s no way of knowing if something was said to him to trigger his suicide. What could anyone have told him that was worse than the suicide solution, other than “You will rot in prison until your dying day”? That was in the books anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2025, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-3/1013175/2009 "2025-11-14T23:03:56Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > What could anyone have told him that was worse than the suicide solution, other than “You will rot in prison until your dying day”? Maybe the idea that many security cameras don’t work, and people don’t check on prisoners as often as they are legally required to (both true things that have been acknowledged since), and so there were ample opportunities for Epstein to suffer abuse if he didn’t take advantage of all the extra sheets left behind that oops, someone negligently left behind. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2025, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-3/1013175/2010 "2025-11-14T23:05:44Z")
Yeah, I forgot how corrupt “justice” can be under Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2025, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-3/1013175/2011 "2025-11-14T23:34:53Z")
I believe Epstein topped himself as much as I believe Mr. Potato Head was shot in the ear. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2025, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-3/1013175/2012 "2025-11-14T23:35:15Z")
One thing I haven’t seen mentioned is auto-erotic-asphyxiation (or whatever it’s called) that went bad for him. I hate having to sit back and accept that we will never know all the crimes this administration has done. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2025, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-3/1013175/2013 "2025-11-15T00:05:05Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I am generally not a proponent of conspiracy theories, but the idea that Epstein’s suicide was staged and covered up seems like probably the most plausible CT I’ve ever heard of. It does immediately clear two hurdles that most conspiracy theories don’t. The first being that it’s actually _possible,_ it doesn’t violate any laws of physics, require nonexistent technology or rely on a worldwide conspiracy. And the second being there’s an actual sensible _motive_ for somebody to do it. So yes, it’s certainly more plausible than the great majority of CTs. A low bar too be sure, but “it _could_ be true” is certainly more plausible than the standard of “it’s impossible.” ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2025, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-3/1013175/2014 "2025-11-15T09:19:00Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > What could anyone have told him that was worse than the suicide solution, other than “You will rot in prison until your dying day”? That was in the books anyway. People who are already depressed and suicidal can be pushed over the edge. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2025, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-3/1013175/2015 "2025-11-15T16:38:14Z")
TIL that Nancy Mace is the first female to graduate from the Citadel. I remember when all my right-wing friends were livid at Shannon Faulkner, the first female to attend the Citadel. I wonder what they would have said if I had told them they’d be voting for women like her in thirty years. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2025, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-3/1013175/2016 "2025-11-16T05:39:40Z")
Although I have little regard for her as a Member of Congress, Mace wrote a pretty good book about her experiences at the Citadel: > **[In the Company of Men: A Woman at the Citadel: Mace, Nancy, Ross, Mary Jane:...](https://www.amazon.com/Company-Men-Woman-Citadel/dp/0689840039)** > > In the Company of Men: A Woman at the Citadel \[Mace, Nancy, Ross, Mary Jane\] on Amazon.com. \*FREE\* shipping on qualifying offers. In the Company of Men: A Woman at the Citadel ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2025, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-3/1013175/2017 "2025-11-16T08:14:58Z")
[Perjury Traitor Greene’s public falling out with the felon-in-chief garners her threats.](https://www.aol.com/news/rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-says-211956663.html) > [@](#): > > Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., who was once one of President Donald Trump’s most vocal supporters, said Saturday that she’s facing threats following the president’s criticism of her on social media. > > “I am now being contacted by private security firms with warnings for my safety as a hot bed of threats against me are being fueled and egged on by the most powerful man in the world. The man I supported and helped get elected,” Greene wrote in a post on X on Saturday. > > “As a Republican, who overwhelmingly votes for President Trump‘s bills and agenda, his aggression against me which also fuels the venomous nature of his radical internet trolls (many of whom are paid), this is completely shocking to everyone,” the congresswoman added in her post. > > Greene’s revelation comes after Trump attacked Greene in post on social media and [rescinded his endorsement of her](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-withdraws-support-rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-rcna244065), calling her “wacky” and accusing her of complaining too much. The president also suggested he could back a primary challenger against her. And this bit is likely to get her death threats. (The **bolding** is mine.) > [@](#): > > In one post, the president said Greene “betrayed” her party with her criticism, and in another, **Trump called Greene a “traitor”** and a “disgrace” to the Republican party. ---
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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2025, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-3/1013175/2019 "2025-11-16T21:21:43Z")
Well, I guess we now know why he called it the Big Beautiful _Bill_. ---
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