# A pitting for Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 19, 2021, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791 "2021-07-19T01:39:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/41 "2021-07-19T14:24:54Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > You then decided to mock him by acting like the only thing an LGBT person would have to fear is being prayed for. I mocked no one. I would have thought the one with the chip on their shoulder was the one making bigoted accusations. Am I mistaken? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/42 "2021-07-19T14:28:23Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > I mocked no one. I would have thought the one with the chip on their shoulder was the one making bigoted accusations. Am I mistaken? . Help! Help! I’m being oppressed by not being allowed to discriminate against teh gyas as much as I would like to! They want to be treated like equal human beings? How bigoted of them! ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/43 "2021-07-19T14:31:08Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > In any case, I seem to be getting a vibe that religious people should just take it when people make bigoted comments. Telling people to shut up seems antithetical to the exchange of ideas. I AM A RELIGIOUS PERSON! Look at my avatar! I’m wearing a fancy red and gold coat\* and a matching yarmulke! I’ve often spoken of my Judaism and how I keep covenant with the G-d of Abraham- and how He keeps covenant with me. Did I feel attacked in **Velocity** ’s thread? Not once. Once could argue that **Miller** mentioned Christians not Jews. Having watched the fine film Trembling Before G-d, I must sadly inform you that anti LGBT prejudice exists in Judaism as well. - It’s a double breasted Victorian lab smock. It is adorned with the symbols of the ten spheres from the RPG Mage The Ascension. Oh, I love that coat. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/44 "2021-07-19T14:37:43Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Help! Help! I’m being oppressed by not being allowed to discriminate against teh gyas as much as I would like to! They want to be treated like equal human beings? How bigoted of them! Has someone advocated discriminating against people? Perhaps a cat walked across your keyboard. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/45 "2021-07-19T14:39:12Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > I mocked no one. I would have thought the one with the chip on their shoulder was the one making bigoted accusations. Am I mistaken? Sounds like an accurate self-description to _me._ ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/46 "2021-07-19T14:40:36Z")
I certainly hope I did not make a bigoted statement. Do you know how to work the quote function? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/47 "2021-07-19T14:41:19Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Lysenkoism, aside from being rejected by scientists around the world, wasn’t accepted by geneticists and agronomists in the Soviet Union. It only flourished because it had prominent political backing. It was ludicrous from the get-go. Genetics was a flourishing field in the 1930s; Lysenko however denied the existence of genes. > > "Lysenko forced farmers to plant seeds very close together, for instance, since according to his “law of the life of species,” plants from the same “class” never compete with one another. He also forbade all use of fertilizers and pesticides… > Outside the U.S.S.R., people sang a different tune: one of unwavering criticism. A British biologist, for instance, [lamented that Lysenko](https://books.google.com/books?id=Oo1EAQAAIAAJ&q=ignorant+of+the+elementary+principles+of+genetics+and+plant+physiology&dq=ignorant+of+the+elementary+principles+of+genetics+and+plant+physiology&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJ8NP1xpbYAhXI44MKHcPZAnMQ6AEITTAH) was “completely ignorant of the elementary principles of genetics and plant physiology … To talk to Lysenko was like trying to explain differential calculus to a man who did not know his 12-times table.” In his defense, he spelled “Lysenkoism” correctly. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/48 "2021-07-19T14:42:19Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > Has someone advocated discriminating against people? Perhaps a cat walked across your keyboard. You seem to think Christians are being discriminated against nowadays. Since Christians are still by far the most dominant group in our society, and we still spend an inordinate amount of time and effort pandering to them, and the only thing that HAS changed is that we tolerate somewhat less discrimination BY Christians against others, the only conclusion is that you view not being allowed to discriminate against others as horrible discrimination against yourself. Or that you’re fucking stupid, of course. That’s also an option. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/49 "2021-07-19T14:43:21Z")
Let me see- > [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > Do you know how to work the quote function? Yep. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/50 "2021-07-19T14:43:39Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > You seem to think Christians are being discriminated against nowadays. How odd. I thought I was pointing out that atheists have been attacking religious people for the last century or so. I have no idea how you got the idea I was talking about Christians. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/51 "2021-07-19T14:48:06Z")
Cool, I didn’t know my lack of belief made me a ChineseRussianGermanCommunistNazi! ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/52 "2021-07-19T14:50:11Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > How odd. I thought I was pointing out that atheists have been attacking religious people for the last century or so. I have no idea how you got the idea I was talking about Christians. Gotcha, so in response to Christian discrimination against LGBT people/atheists in the US you brought up atheistic regimes a world and half a century away. So you’re not bigoted, just really fucking stupid? ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/53 "2021-07-19T14:50:39Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Cool, I didn’t know my lack of belief made me a ChineseRussianGermanCommunistNazi! It doesn’t. Never said it did. I did say that ChineseRussianGermanCommunistNazis were (or are) atheists. Somehow the OP (remember the OP?) managed to focus so hard on nasty religious people that he failed to notice several mass slaughters 'n stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/54 "2021-07-19T14:52:49Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Gotcha, so in response to Christian discrimination against LGBT people/atheists in the US you brought up atheistic regimes a world and half a century away. So you’re not bigoted, just really fucking stupid? Well, another way to look at it is that when I read the admonition from the Holocaust to “Never Forget,” I take that as an admonition to never forget. I admit that there are two possibilities. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/55 "2021-07-19T14:53:15Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > I did say that ChineseRussianGermanCommunistNazis were (or are) atheists 1. Nazis were not atheists 2. the CCCP uses religion, especially Confucian traditions, to legitimize its rule 3. Putin isn’t much better than the Soviets, and he ponders to the Orthodox church HARD. 4. So of Nazis, Soviets, and Chinese Communists, which exactly is responsible for Democrats in the US not embracing atheism again…? ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/56 "2021-07-19T14:53:36Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > In his defense, he spelled “Lysenkoism” correctly. Well, I admit that I used copy and paste. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/57 "2021-07-19T14:54:19Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > - Nazis were not atheists > - the CCCP uses religion, especially Confucian traditions, to legitimize its rule Wow. What color are the frogships in your universe? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/58 "2021-07-19T14:54:58Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > > [@Babale](#): > > > > Gotcha, so in response to Christian discrimination against LGBT people/atheists in the US you brought up atheistic regimes a world and half a century away. So you’re not bigoted, just really fucking stupid? > > Well, another way to look at it is that when I read the admonition from the Holocaust to “Never Forget,” I take that as an admonition to never forget. I admit that there are two possibilities. You realize that the Holocaust had absolutely nothing to do with religious belief, right? You do know that the Nazis considered “Jews” to be an ethnic group, not a religion, and tried to kill all people of Jewish descent, even ones who had become Christian or who had no faith? ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/59 "2021-07-19T15:01:02Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > You realize that the Holocaust had absolutely nothing to do with religious belief, right? Correct. The Germans did not kill Jews because the German were hyper-religious. The Holocaust was a modern, mainstream response to the generally-accepted scientific thinking of that time and place. It was perfectly politically correct to the people who did it. It was aimed at improving society and making the world a better place. But of course our scientific ideas are so much more advanced than the politically-enhanced superstitions of our great grandfathers. That is why it is OK when we lump together all religious people. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/60 "2021-07-19T15:02:31Z")
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