# A pitting for Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 19, 2021, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791 "2021-07-19T01:39:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/121 "2021-07-19T21:57:08Z")
I see your sarcasm meter is broken too. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/122 "2021-07-19T22:00:34Z")
Oh, you are saying things you do not mean! How very clever. (Look now I am doing it too!) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/123 "2021-07-19T22:01:03Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > Do you figure the destruction of an entire generation of Gay people will come about because of science or because of religion? That already happened. It was called the AIDS epidemic. The scientific response to which was the identification of the virus responsible, tracking down lines of transmission, and developing drugs to treat it, such that today, an AIDS diagnosis is no longer a death sentence. The Christian response? [Lying about effective prevention](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/17/pope-africa-condoms-aids) and saying [we deserved it.](https://www.bu.edu/cas/magazine/spring16/aids-and-american-religion/) ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/124 "2021-07-19T22:03:07Z")
If this whole thread is you saying things you do not mean, you’d be a better person. An awful troll, but still a better person than made out by what you have actually said. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/125 "2021-07-19T22:07:23Z")
Certainly some religious people said terrible things. So did nonreligious people, such as Ronald Reagan. In the same way, some religious people did important work to help. So did some secular people. Few of us did enough. Some of us feel shame. Others do not. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/126 "2021-07-19T22:08:21Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > Already science has given us the ability to ensure imperfect people are not born. Imperfect might mean female, deformed, intellectually challenged or whatever. Soon parents will be able to ensure they will not have a Gay child. Even if we grant this, religion is the one saying having gay children is bad in the first place. In a purely scientific world, where religion holds no sway and we genetically engineer every aspect of every baby including their sexual orientation\*, what makes you think all parents would choose to have straight kids? Without religious people to judge my kids and make their life harder, there’s literally no reason to assume that the “straight” option would be the most desirable. Maybe science will allow us to produce a whole generation of bi kids. \*(which assumes orientation is entirely genetically determined, and there’s no prenatal hormonal influence or any other aspect to it than genetic, which is likely an oversimplification, but whatever) ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/127 "2021-07-19T22:08:23Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > If this whole thread is you saying things you do not mean, you’d be a better person. An awful troll, but still a better person than made out by what you have actually said. Can you expand on this? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/128 "2021-07-19T22:09:32Z")
You cannot be this dense. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/129 "2021-07-19T22:09:53Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > So did nonreligious people, such as Ronald Reagan. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂😂 Ok, I get it, this is performance art ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/130 "2021-07-19T22:11:09Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > So did nonreligious people, such as Ronald Reagan. I think now the system that is **Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi** has finally totally snapped. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/131 "2021-07-19T22:12:01Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Even if we grant this, religion is the one saying having gay children is bad in the first place. I am sure some religious person has said such a thing. At least in the modern Christian faith, all lives are considered sacred. (This is the basis of the anti-abortion, anti-death penalty, anti mercy-killing stances.) Science is not so encumbered. Stalin, or Mao, or Hitler, or Pol Pot judged the value of a life on a more mercurial basis. Which will most benefit society? Which will produce more? ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/132 "2021-07-19T22:13:15Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > You cannot be this dense. Citation needed. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/133 "2021-07-19T22:14:09Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Citation needed > **[The densest objects in the Universe](https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Space_Science/Integral/The_densest_objects_in_the_Universe)** > > When a massive star explodes, not all the material is ejected into space. Some of it collapses into an extremely compact object known as a neutron star, inside which gravitational forces crush protons and electrons together, turning them into... ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/134 "2021-07-19T22:14:40Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > You cannot be this dense. Come on, we have been writing for over a day. Surely you can provide examples to support your claim. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/135 "2021-07-19T22:15:01Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > So did nonreligious people, such as Ronald Reagan. In what possible sense was Ronald Reagan a “nonreligious person?” His in action on the AIDS epidemic grew directly from his catering to far right Christians. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/136 "2021-07-19T22:15:29Z")
Hmmmm. Maybe you can be this dense. At least you’ve change my mind about one thing. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/137 "2021-07-19T22:16:02Z")
Can you support this at all, or is it simply faith for you? Because it really does not connect to reality. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/138 "2021-07-19T22:16:11Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > At least in the modern Christian faith, all lives are considered sacred. > **[US church pastor and detective says LGBT people should be killed](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/church-pastor-lgbt-people-killed-death-grayson-fritts-baptist-a8958846.html)** > > Cleric, who is also a police officer, says gay people should be rounded up and put to death ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/139 "2021-07-19T22:17:35Z")
Now more mods have joined in his oppression. He really is a prophet. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791/140 "2021-07-19T22:19:31Z")
My post is oppression? Wow the standards for oppression are pretty low. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-for-paul-was-in-saudi/946791.md?page=8)