# A pitting of Liberal and the Mods that let it happen. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 18, 2007, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-of-liberal-and-the-mods-that-let-it-happen/392723 "2007-02-18T17:54:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-of-liberal-and-the-mods-that-let-it-happen/392723/381 "2007-02-19T21:35:29Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] I disagree. [/QUOTE] Okay, how much to get rid of you? ---
**Author:** ![rayh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@rayh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rayh)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-of-liberal-and-the-mods-that-let-it-happen/392723/382 "2007-02-19T21:36:06Z")
[QUOTE=Malacandra] I’d just like to chime in here with an instruction for all monies having to do with the Fucking Morons Club, whether membership fees or payments for T-shirts, badges, posters, emblems or related indicia, to be forwarded directly to me as treasurer. All such payments will be duly recorded and all Fucking Morons will be sent a signed receipt that will be as good as my word. Sincerely, Malacandra, I. M. Bezel & Scarper, Accountants [/QUOTE] The cheque’s in the post. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-of-liberal-and-the-mods-that-let-it-happen/392723/383 "2007-02-19T21:40:09Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] You don’t say! Let me try it: **kaylasdad99** ’s post shoud appear [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8276091&postcount=377). Huh! Handy feature. Although sometimes I don’t like the one-post-only links because they don’t give you context for the post. But very handy nonetheless. Thank you. _Fiat 99’ers!_ [/QUOTE] You can do a context link by changing the showpost in the address to showthread. [Like this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8276091&postcount=377). ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-of-liberal-and-the-mods-that-let-it-happen/392723/384 "2007-02-19T21:48:52Z")
[QUOTE=saoirse] Okay, how much to get rid of you? [/QUOTE] How much you got? ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-of-liberal-and-the-mods-that-let-it-happen/392723/385 "2007-02-19T21:51:03Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] How much you got? [/QUOTE] $3.72, American, payable after 90 minutes without a post. But of course you have to promise not to post after that, either. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-of-liberal-and-the-mods-that-let-it-happen/392723/386 "2007-02-19T21:52:32Z")
90 minutes?! I can’t wait that long - I have pushers to feed! ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-of-liberal-and-the-mods-that-let-it-happen/392723/387 "2007-02-19T21:53:26Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] You can do a context link by changing the showpost in the address to showthread. [Like this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8276091&postcount=377). [/QUOTE] Thank you. This I like: specific post + context. I will use it a lot. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-of-liberal-and-the-mods-that-let-it-happen/392723/388 "2007-02-19T21:57:57Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] You don’t say! Let me try it: **kaylasdad99** ’s post shoud appear [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8276091&postcount=377). Huh! Handy feature. Although sometimes I don’t like the one-post-only links because they don’t give you context for the post. But very handy nonetheless. Thank you. _Fiat 99’ers!_ [/QUOTE] Not at all. Thank _you_ for your receptiveness in this matter. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-of-liberal-and-the-mods-that-let-it-happen/392723/389 "2007-02-19T22:01:02Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] So on this subject, I will fade back into the woodwork. [/QUOTE] That is our loss. You have been kicking some serious ass lately and I, for one, have been enjoying the hell out of it. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-of-liberal-and-the-mods-that-let-it-happen/392723/390 "2007-02-19T22:14:39Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] You don’t say! Let me try it: **kaylasdad99** ’s post shoud appear [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8276091&postcount=377). Huh! Handy feature. Although sometimes I don’t like the one-post-only links because they don’t give you context for the post. But very handy nonetheless. Thank you. _Fiat 99’ers!_ [/QUOTE] Another way to get the URL for a single post is to right-click on the post number. That will open not a new window with the post, but rather a menu with several options, including “Copy link location”. Click on that and the single-post URL will wrap its tiny paws about your cursor and cling there until you deposit it in your post. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-of-liberal-and-the-mods-that-let-it-happen/392723/391 "2007-02-19T22:25:59Z")
Ignorance is being fought left and right in this thread today; thanks, **ETF**. And as an extra fillip, I’ll mention that in my OS, “copy link location” = “Copy Shortcut”. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-of-liberal-and-the-mods-that-let-it-happen/392723/392 "2007-02-19T22:26:27Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] I was **NEVER** your friend. I don’t like you because you are vicious to people, and then you apologize, minimize, or kiss their ass. I don’t respect you because you lack the courage of your own avowed convictions. I spend quite a bit of time ignoring your crackpot theories and your insincere niceties alternating with amazing meanspiritedness, and only post when the outrageousness or contemptibility of your words or actions becomes so amazing as to provoke me to say something. [/QUOTE] I wish I were as articulate – once again, you have hit the nail on the head. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-of-liberal-and-the-mods-that-let-it-happen/392723/393 "2007-02-19T22:38:14Z")
Finally, if you do not like the “single post link” feature and do not mind engaging in just a bit more work, you can modify the url that you captured with either of the preceding methods thusly: Beginning with the retrieved url using postcount Change **showpost.php** to **showthread.php** then replace **postcount=999** with the text **#post8276113** where the number 8276113 matches the number in the showthread (previously showpost) field. So [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/show\*\*post\*\*.php?p=8276113\*\*&postcount=379](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/show **post**.php?p=8276113**&postcount=379)\*\* (where only the single post is displayed) becomes [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/show\*\*thread\*\*.php?p=8276113\*\*#post8276113](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/show **thread**.php?p=8276113**#post8276113)\*\* (where the entire thread is displayed beginning at that selected post) giving the links: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8276113&postcount=379](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8276113&postcount=379) now changed to [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8276113#post8276113](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8276113#post8276113) ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-of-liberal-and-the-mods-that-let-it-happen/392723/394 "2007-02-19T23:01:06Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] The level of venom and the amount of piling-on is pretty depressing. [/QUOTE] It’s really not as bad as it seems, and it doesn’t bother me at all. A few people have done the lion’s share of posting. It’s not so much a pile-on as a tag-team among mutual admirers. “Oh, Smith you’re so clever!” “Thank you, Jones! I admire you too!” I do appreciate your level-headedness however, and others have also dropped in to say how crazy they’re acting. They want me to blow up because they believe that past performance is a predictor of the future. I just hope they don’t invest their own stocks. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-of-liberal-and-the-mods-that-let-it-happen/392723/395 "2007-02-19T23:09:20Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] **DrDeth** , I like your post and I liked what you said. I have made the same argument for both **PRR** & **Der Trihs**. I know I do not hate Lib and I have not professed any hatred for him. However, do you not hold different posters in different esteem? Many posters I hold in high esteem and some in low esteem. [/QUOTE] Well, thanks. Oh sure, but it isn’t based (much) on how much I agree with them. However I see your point. Thanks also\*\* Quiddity Glomfuster\*\*. And **Jodi** - thanks for trying. You do have well written posts. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-of-liberal-and-the-mods-that-let-it-happen/392723/396 "2007-02-19T23:13:54Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] They want me to blow up because they believe that past performance is a predictor of the future. [/QUOTE] Ironically, wasn’t that prr’s complaint in the first place? And you actually took the step of giving him money to stop posting, which indicates you expected him to continue in a predictable pattern (it’s not like you paid an administrator to make prr’s past posts disappear). And actually, I think you’ve blown up several times already… ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-of-liberal-and-the-mods-that-let-it-happen/392723/397 "2007-02-19T23:18:07Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] And actually, I think you’ve blown up several times already… [/QUOTE] […shrug…] Then who can argue. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-of-liberal-and-the-mods-that-let-it-happen/392723/398 "2007-02-19T23:30:34Z")
My take. When Liberal offered to pay another to leave the board ,the moderators should have stepped in. They should have said that this is a debate and idea board and we will not permit such childish actions. However ,I get the impression they were amused at what was happening and curious to see how far it would go. Sitting on their hands allowed a poster and the mods to diminish themselves. It resulted in a long time member leaving . It in no way added to the board and everyone involved should be ashamed. Liberal got trapped into backing up his offer like a child acting on a schoolyard dare. It should not have been allowed. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-of-liberal-and-the-mods-that-let-it-happen/392723/399 "2007-02-19T23:34:36Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] […shrug…] Then who can argue. [/QUOTE] Oh, I’m not arguing; I find your periodic eruptions highly entertaining. In any event, that’s a side issue. Several statements presented as fact in your post #394 are incorrect or misleading and I’m cheerfully willing to supply evidence, though I shan’t bother if you’ll just “shrug” it off. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-of-liberal-and-the-mods-that-let-it-happen/392723/400 "2007-02-19T23:56:20Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] When Liberal offered to pay another to leave the board ,the moderators should have stepped in. They should have said that this is a debate and idea board and we will not permit such childish actions. However ,I get the impression they were amused at what was happening and curious to see how far it would go. [/QUOTE] I can’t really blame them for this. The situation is _so_ ridiculous that there isn’t really a precedent (on this board) for it. If nothing else, Liberal is certainly an original. Had either party blinked, I doubt the mods would have urged them to continue. They’re content to let the parties sort it out, which the parties themselves publicly requested. Unless you want to claim Liberal is mentally incompetent, he can spend his money as he chooses and his “diminishing” is solely his responsibility. Regardless of the outcome to Liberal, I don’t think the SDMB itself has been diminished at all. There are plenty of posters who share PRR’s opinions so the atheism debates won’t stop, though they might be a bit less acrimonious. This bribery incident will simply add to board lore, something the old-timers can use as a punchline: > [@Newbie poster after new President is sworn in](#): > > So is this guy gonna rock, or what? He’z gonna put them Ay-rabs in there place! l33t! > [@Wiseguy Longtime member](#): > > So, what’s $500 in 2007 dollars, adjusted for inflation? Penis ensues. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-of-liberal-and-the-mods-that-let-it-happen/392723.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-of-liberal-and-the-mods-that-let-it-happen/392723.md?page=21)