# A plea to Trump supporters and conservatives in general **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 9, 2016, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-plea-to-trump-supporters-and-conservatives-in-general/771197 "2016-11-09T14:03:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-plea-to-trump-supporters-and-conservatives-in-general/771197/141 "2016-11-14T16:52:53Z")
What are the reasons that 63% of Democrats support voter ID? Are those reasons valid? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-plea-to-trump-supporters-and-conservatives-in-general/771197/142 "2016-11-14T16:57:32Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Because the 63% of Democrats who support voter ID shows that it is possible to support it for non-racist reasons. Perhaps we could discuss those reasons. > > Regards, > Shodan The actual implementation of voter ID laws which were struck down were, as **GIGObuster** pointed out, specifically designed to reduce minority voting. Let me repeat that: Specifically. Designed. To. Reduce. Minority. Voting. I think that might be racist. Let me give an analogue: suppose someone says: “let’s reduce crime.” A worthy sentiment, supported by Democrats and Republicans alike. Then the actual implementation of the crime reduction bill basically just doubles sentences but only for minorities. I think the Democrats who supported the idea of reducing crime might not support the approach of deliberately targeting minorities. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-plea-to-trump-supporters-and-conservatives-in-general/771197/143 "2016-11-14T16:58:37Z")
What are the reasons that 63% of Democrats support voter ID? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-plea-to-trump-supporters-and-conservatives-in-general/771197/144 "2016-11-14T16:59:33Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > What are the reasons that 63% of Democrats support voter ID? > > Regards, > Shodan Why don’t you research it and let us know. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-plea-to-trump-supporters-and-conservatives-in-general/771197/145 "2016-11-14T17:07:39Z")
A plea to thread hijackers – stop, please! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-plea-to-trump-supporters-and-conservatives-in-general/771197/146 "2016-11-14T17:12:27Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > What are the reasons that 63% of Democrats support voter ID? > > Regards, > Shodan Current research tell me that they agree in theory, but they also know that the practice is the lousy part of the issue, it is clear that what takes place in practice is what is ignored by many Republicans. Even the courts agree with that. And as per the OP, I will stop discussing this item. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-plea-to-trump-supporters-and-conservatives-in-general/771197/147 "2016-11-14T17:28:46Z")
What are the reasons that 63% of Democrats ignore what takes place in practice and support voter ID? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-plea-to-trump-supporters-and-conservatives-in-general/771197/148 "2016-11-14T17:36:33Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > A plea to thread hijackers – stop, please! > [@Bricker](#): > > Stop describing differences of opinion on substantive issues as racism, sexism, bigotry, or xenopohobia. > > I favor Voter ID laws, because I believe them to be a legitimate exercise of state power and a valid method to help ensure voter confidence in the results of elections. > > _snip_ > > Perhaps, goes my plea, you can work to avoid that tendency should you discover it in yourself and speak up against it when you see it in your fellow liberals. To which you responded > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I will try. But now it’s a hijack. Funny, that. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-plea-to-trump-supporters-and-conservatives-in-general/771197/149 "2016-11-14T17:37:13Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > But the Voter ID laws we were discussing were specifically and knowingly targeted to reduce minority, particularly black, vote. How is that not racist? > [@Shodan](#): > > Because the 63% of Democrats who support voter ID shows that it is possible to support it for non-racist reasons. Perhaps we could discuss those reasons. > > Regards, > Shodan > [@GIGObuster](#): > > Misleading stat, even I do agree ID is valid, but in practice the Republicans are not helping minorities to get those IDs, in reality they make it harder for minorities and the poor to get them. And it is is not just IDs the reason for the complaints. It was a few days ago and all, but in case I wasn’t clear before: > [@Bone](#): > > [Moderating] > **Please take the Voter ID hijack to another thread.** > [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-plea-to-trump-supporters-and-conservatives-in-general/771197/150 "2016-11-14T18:20:57Z")
It’s a fair cop. My apologies to the boards and to iiandyiii. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-plea-to-trump-supporters-and-conservatives-in-general/771197/151 "2016-11-14T18:23:46Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > It’s a fair cop. My apologies to the boards and to iiandyiii. > > Regards, > Shodan Accepted! ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-plea-to-trump-supporters-and-conservatives-in-general/771197/152 "2016-11-15T04:39:50Z")
I started a new thread to continue the voter ID discussion, if anyone is so inclined: [Are voter ID policies (and their supporters) racist?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19782531#post19782531) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-plea-to-trump-supporters-and-conservatives-in-general/771197/153 "2016-11-15T10:11:28Z")
Back on topic: Stephen Bannon’s appointment is starting to bring some right-wing opposition out of the woodwork (although perhaps not that surprising). The [Financial Times article](https://www.ft.com/content/5dc3ef76-aa95-11e6-ba7d-76378e4fef24?ftcamp=engage/email/textlink/subscribers/todaysftheadlines/crm&utm_source=subscribers&utm_medium=email&utm_term=textlink&utm_campaign=todaysftheadlines) is firewalled but here are the relevant bits: > [@](#): > > “The racist, fascist extreme right is represented footsteps from the Oval Office. Be very vigilant America,” tweeted John Weaver, a Republican strategist who works with Ohio governor John Kasich, a rival to Mr Trump in the party’s primary elections. > [@](#): > > Evan McMullin, the former CIA operative who challenged Mr Trump in Utah, called on Congressional Republicans to repudiate Mr Bannon’s appointment. “Will any national level elected GOP leaders condemn @realDonaldTrump’s appointment of anti-Semite Steve Bannon to senior White House role?” he tweeted. “In our lifetimes, it has never been more important for Americans to stand on principle for equality and liberty.” More tiny cracks in party unity, although whether they are lasting ones remains to be seen. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-plea-to-trump-supporters-and-conservatives-in-general/771197/154 "2016-11-15T21:13:38Z")
Of COURSE there’s an element of blatant racism among Trump supporters. I recognized it from Day One, which is one reason I pledged (and stuck to my pledge) never to vote for Trump. I am not Jewish- I’m an Irish Catholic. But my name sounds Jewish, which means that whenever I’ve tried to argue politics in chat rooms or on political boards, I’ve seen plenty of “Go back to Israel” type rejoinders. I say of Trump what I said about Ron Paul years ago: in my opinion, he is not an anti-semite. But some of his biggest fans are, and he has done nothing to discourage them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-plea-to-trump-supporters-and-conservatives-in-general/771197.md?page=7)