# A Poll for republicans, pharisees, and wingnuts. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 22, 2005, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-poll-for-republicans-pharisees-and-wingnuts/286160 "2005-01-22T23:27:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f07891/32.png) [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Plastic_Ninja)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2005, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-poll-for-republicans-pharisees-and-wingnuts/286160/61 "2005-01-23T18:35:30Z")
> [@AskNott](#): > > Second, if we get out of Iraq in time, he clearly intends to jump into another war right away. After all, we haven’t even worked through the Axis Of Evil yet. Good Lord. Statements like this make me almost hope that the war /does/ drag out long enough that he can’t start a new one. :eek: ☹ :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2005, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-poll-for-republicans-pharisees-and-wingnuts/286160/62 "2005-01-23T18:37:24Z")
> [@rwjefferson](#): > > ``` > etymology – The Pharisees were a religious sect that believed their Holy Book(s) was law. > > ``` Actually, every major Jewish group at the time believed that the Torah was legally binding. The Pharasees just were willing to accept popular interpretations and logical extrapolations as a way to interpret the Torah, as opposed to, say, the Saducees, who apparently relied on textual literalism as a method of interpretation. ---
**Author:** ![rwjefferson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a6a055/32.png) [@rwjefferson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rwjefferson)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2005, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-poll-for-republicans-pharisees-and-wingnuts/286160/63 "2005-01-23T18:52:55Z")
> [@AskNott](#): > > … if we get out of Iraq in time, he clearly intends to jump into another war right away. After all, we haven’t even worked through the Axis Of Evil yet. My money is on Cuba. Guantanamo is too small. We need the whole Island for the influx of desaparecidos. Peace through Liberty r~ ---
**Author:** ![rwjefferson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a6a055/32.png) [@rwjefferson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rwjefferson)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2005, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-poll-for-republicans-pharisees-and-wingnuts/286160/64 "2005-01-23T19:21:40Z")
> [@Captain Amazing](#): > > Actually, every major Jewish group at the time believed that the Torah was legally binding. So does that mean that Jews that wish to impose their Laws on others fit my definition of pharisee? Peace through Liberty r~ ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2005, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-poll-for-republicans-pharisees-and-wingnuts/286160/65 "2005-01-23T19:58:29Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > The sole and dreadful consolation in this whole terrible metamorphosis of America is that the vast majority of the people losing their liberty are giving it up voluntarily, and deserve not to have it. If true – and I hold that decisions taken from being misled are not truly voluntary in the sense you mean – that is still not valid, **Lib**. None of us “deserves” anything, as you well know – what we have, what we get, is solely through mercy and grace. As you would have it rendered unto you, render it therefor also unto others. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2005, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-poll-for-republicans-pharisees-and-wingnuts/286160/66 "2005-01-23T20:45:18Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > – what we have, what we get, is solely through mercy and grace. That statement leaves precious little room for “random death in the life-support system.” Is your universe really that well managed? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-poll-for-republicans-pharisees-and-wingnuts/286160/67 "2005-01-24T01:35:40Z")
> [@rwjefferson](#): > > So does that mean that Jews that wish to impose their Laws on others fit my definition of pharisee? Well, Jews don’t, as a rule, seek to impose Jewish law on non-Jews. The Pharisees didn’t want to impose Jewish law on non-Jews either. The debate between the Pharisees and Saducees was over how Jewish law should be practiced by Jews. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-poll-for-republicans-pharisees-and-wingnuts/286160/68 "2005-01-24T01:41:04Z")
From what I read, the Pharisees got a bad rap, due to post-Jesus tensions amongst the early Christians. Over the years, the term has come to mean people who are publicly and ostentatiously pious, and carries a hint of hypocrisy. When I use the term “Pharisee” it is this context that I mean, seeing no reason to worry about unjustly offending people who have been dead for a couple thousand years. ---
**Author:** ![rwjefferson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a6a055/32.png) [@rwjefferson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rwjefferson)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-poll-for-republicans-pharisees-and-wingnuts/286160/69 "2005-01-24T02:57:32Z")
> [@Captain Amazing](#): > > Well, Jews don’t, as a rule, seek to impose Jewish law on non-Jews. The Pharisees didn’t want to impose Jewish law on non-Jews either. Really. Somehow, I had the impression that there were restrictions on the Sabbath and that advertisements were often censored. > [@](#): > > The debate between the Pharisees and Saducees was over how Jewish law should be practiced by Jews. The debate between jc and the Pharisees, (and most Religions) is whether God’s Law should or should not be imposed at all. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s Render unto God, that which is God’s. Translation: [screed] God can enforce his own laws, Thank You. He does not need you to impose them. Period. Offer them, Do Not Impose Them. [/screed] No, it is your neighbors that need protection. Protection from tyranny imposed in the name of God; protection from the State, protection from the Zealot. Is that not exactly why the World is at War again? Religious based Tyranny? Peace through Liberty r~ ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-poll-for-republicans-pharisees-and-wingnuts/286160/70 "2005-01-24T05:22:57Z")
> [@rwjefferson](#): > > Really. Somehow, I had the impression that there were restrictions on the Sabbath and that advertisements were often censored. > The debate between jc and the Pharisees, (and most Religions) is whether God’s Law should or should not be imposed at all. Well, yeah, there’s a whole bunch of stuff, according to Judaism, that you’re not supposed to do on the Sabbath. As for advertisements, the Pharisees stopped really being a seperate movement in Judaism and became mainstream Judaism in the beginning of the second century. At that time, the content of advertisements wasn’t really a big issue. And while I’m not a scholar of Christianity, it seems like Jesus’s debate with the Pharisees was largely to what extent laws of ritual cleanliness applied to everyday life. So, for example, they debated over handwashing before meals, over kashering of plates and utensils, and over whether or not eating treif food would make a person unclean. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-poll-for-republicans-pharisees-and-wingnuts/286160/71 "2005-01-24T11:05:46Z")
> [@Captain Amazing](#): > > And while I’m not a scholar of Christianity, it seems like Jesus’s debate with the Pharisees was largely to what extent laws of ritual cleanliness applied to everyday life. So, for example, they debated over handwashing before meals, over kashering of plates and utensils, and over whether or not eating treif food would make a person unclean. And then some… > **[Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 23 - New International Version](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2023%3B&version=NIV)** > > A Warning Against Hypocrisy - Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not... ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-poll-for-republicans-pharisees-and-wingnuts/286160/72 "2005-01-24T15:09:50Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > Faced with an apparently unbridgeable conflict between liberals and conservatives over the Bush administration, he cleverly composed a post that had **elucidator** and **Brutus** uniting in posting similar thoughts, in a thread ostensibly about GWB (aka ~b). Apparently, we can all just get along. Okay, I would accept the label “pharisees” for those people who like to pray loudly and publicly. For those who chose tyrany and call it liberty, I prefer “asshole”. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-poll-for-republicans-pharisees-and-wingnuts/286160/73 "2005-01-24T15:37:09Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > And then some… > > [http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2023;&version=31;](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2023;&version=31;) Granted, Jesus didn’t like them. But that chapter is more rhetoric, ad hominem, and hyperbole, than an actual statement of differences.(and he still manages to get digs in on them for their position about cleanliness laws). ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-poll-for-republicans-pharisees-and-wingnuts/286160/74 "2005-01-24T16:08:44Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > In A.D. 2005 > Thread was beginning. > Captain: What the fuck? > Mechanic: Somebody set up us the tilde. > Operator: We get post. > Captain: What ! > Operator: Main screen turn on. > Captain: It’s You !! > Cats: How are you g~!! > Cats: All your coherence are belong to u~!! > Cats: I lumped Republicans and ‘pharisees’ together. > Captain: The fuck you say !! > Cats: Please respond whether you consider yourself to be enlightened. > Cats: HA HA HA HA … > Gaudere: Move ‘thread’. > Gaudere: For great justice. ROTFLMAOPMPASTC!!! By Og’s wrinkled nutsack, Brutus, that was just plain wonderful. I was laughing so hard, I had people coming into my office trying to do CPR on me because they thought I was choking to death! Note to self - must stop reading SDMB at work. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-poll-for-republicans-pharisees-and-wingnuts/286160/75 "2005-01-24T19:23:24Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > In A.D. 2005 > Thread was beginning. > Captain: What the fuck? > Mechanic: Somebody set up us the tilde. > Operator: We get post. > Captain: What ! > Operator: Main screen turn on. > Captain: It’s You !! > Cats: How are you g~!! > Cats: All your coherence are belong to u~!! > Cats: I lumped Republicans and ‘pharisees’ together. > Captain: The fuck you say !! > Cats: Please respond whether you consider yourself to be enlightened. > Cats: HA HA HA HA … > Gaudere: Move ‘thread’. > Gaudere: For great justice. OK, that was _fucking funny_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-poll-for-republicans-pharisees-and-wingnuts/286160.md?page=3)