# A possible explination for certain Guests **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 30, 2004, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-possible-explination-for-certain-guests/237264 "2004-03-30T06:44:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-possible-explination-for-certain-guests/237264/21 "2004-03-30T14:45:11Z")
> [@Jonathan Chance](#): > > Heck, I don’t even mind if they’re pushing a straight paleo-conservative viewpoint. There’s room for all God’s children on the Dope, right? > > As long as they don’t come in guns blazing saying ‘kill the jews’ and ‘damn blacks’ and suchlike there’s room for us to debunk them…or maybe find spots of agreement. > > If we’re about fighting ignorance isn’t it easier if the ignorant beat a path to our door? The trouble is that you’re often not tackling them on their actual views, you’re just debating their choice of smokescreen, which they will happily discard and create a different one, but all the while this is fed by their unspoken and unchallenged core views. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-possible-explination-for-certain-guests/237264/22 "2004-03-30T14:48:46Z")
Also, some of them have complained on the SF board that they are being picked on by the mods because they have been banned here five times - they won’t find the money and register because they don’t feel compelled to observe the rules here. ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-possible-explination-for-certain-guests/237264/23 "2004-03-30T15:13:49Z")
> [@Libertarian](#): > > “All warfare is deception” — Sun Tzu However, given their bent, we can safely say those mouthbreathers wouldn’t read a “non-white” author. And given their intellectual shortcomings, probably wouldn’t understand his theories anyway. As far as them joining for $15- go for it. They will just get Banned sooner or later, and the Board keeps their money. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-possible-explination-for-certain-guests/237264/24 "2004-03-30T16:32:00Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > The trouble is that you’re often not tackling them on their actual views, you’re just debating their choice of smokescreen, which they will happily discard and create a different one, but all the while this is fed by their unspoken and unchallenged core views. You see, I don’t see anything wrong with that. I’m currently in a dialogue over in GD with **castaway** about ‘genetic freedom’. It’s worth it to me to sound him/her out and see what exactly is the point there. Any discussion is worth it if both sides can be civil to each other. And maybe it’ll get through. Who knows? But I do know that it’s against the soi-disant ‘core values’ of the board here to just dismiss them out of hand. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-possible-explination-for-certain-guests/237264/25 "2004-03-30T17:02:57Z")
> [@Jonathan Chance](#): > > Any discussion is worth it if both sides can be civil to each other. And maybe it’ll get through. Who knows? But I do know that it’s against the soi-disant ‘core values’ of the board here to just dismiss them out of hand. Also, if you read some of the “instructions” for activism on one of those boards, they’re saying the same thing. Ultimately, although some of them are just idiots, they’re trying to convert us just like we want to change their minds. It’s in everyone’s best interest that we engage in actual discussion of their worldview. If we curse at them and ban them, there’ll be more. If we beat them down consistently with facts and reason, that’s no fun for them, and they either run out of arguments and find another target, or they actually _get it_. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-possible-explination-for-certain-guests/237264/26 "2004-03-30T17:34:06Z")
> [@Jimmy Chitwood](#): > > Also, if you read some of the “instructions” for activism on one of those boards, they’re saying the same thing. Ultimately, although some of them are just idiots, they’re trying to convert us just like we want to change their minds. It’s in everyone’s best interest that we engage in actual discussion of their worldview. If we curse at them and ban them, there’ll be more. If we beat them down consistently with facts and reason, that’s no fun for them, and they either run out of arguments and find another target, or they actually _get it_. Sounds too much like work to me. I’m here to have fun, arguning about stuff that relatively reasonable people can disagree about. Having Jew-haters and White Power types constantly trolling for converts makes the board a slightly less fun place to be. I don’t wanna waste precious time arguing with these folks; I really don’t think my chances of “converting” them are any greater than their chances of “converting” me (i.e. non-existant). Now, if they declared themselves openly, I could just ignore 'em. But if they pretend to be what they are not, they add deception and dishonesty to the annoyance of being a hater - and that is more irritation than the dubious pleasures of arguing with them is worth. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-possible-explination-for-certain-guests/237264/27 "2004-03-30T17:41:06Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > Also, some of them have complained on the SF board that they are being picked on by the mods because they have been banned here five times - they won’t find the money and register because they don’t feel compelled to observe the rules here. 'Course, one has to first understand rules before one can observe them. Those who wear their bannings as a badge of honor are either habitual trolls or are unable to comprehend the rules. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-possible-explination-for-certain-guests/237264/28 "2004-03-30T18:02:12Z")
Yeah, I spent some time on one of the WN boards, and found pretty much the same as the OP did. **Castaway** is using such obvious WN debating tricks, that it’s not even sporting to debate with him/her. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-possible-explination-for-certain-guests/237264/29 "2004-03-30T18:13:06Z")
> [@dantheman](#): > > Yeah, but people who really believe in something and want to convert others will find the $14.95 somewhere. The money will deter them somewhat, but not entirely, IMO. Good, so we get some of their money before they eventually get booted. Fine with me. ---
**Author:** ![TitoBenito](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2acd7d/32.png) [@TitoBenito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TitoBenito)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-possible-explination-for-certain-guests/237264/30 "2004-03-30T18:49:40Z")
> [@Gest](#): > > TitoBenito, why did you bold Rushton and Lynn’s names in your OP? Because they were two of the main people I remembered offhand Science Girl talking about. I just wanted to draw the connection with the racist BB message telling how to invade a board posted 13 day ago with Science Girl starting her threads using the same tactics a few days later. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-possible-explination-for-certain-guests/237264/31 "2004-03-30T19:50:31Z")
She slipped and posted linking to “retarded Nazi/Skinhead/KKK stuff” early on in the form of John “Birdman” Bryant. Some really funny stuff there if you can stomach the smell looking around. My favorites are his claim that his declining site ranking is due to the numbers being cooked by the Jews to oppress him and a rather odd idea about David Irving. Since his wife apparently had bad financial dealing with Irving, it turns out that Irving is a homosexual pedophile (since apparently the two are one and the same :rolleyes: ), and that he is an agent of Organized Jewry. Yep, that’s right; David Irving the holocaust denier is actually part of ZOG. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-possible-explination-for-certain-guests/237264/32 "2004-03-30T20:03:38Z")
That’s right, baby… We’re **organized**. ---
**Author:** ![Earthling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/90db22/32.png) [@Earthling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earthling)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-possible-explination-for-certain-guests/237264/33 "2004-03-30T20:16:48Z")
> [@elf6c](#): > > However, given their bent, we can safely say those mouthbreathers wouldn’t read a “non-white” author. Don’t be so sure about that. I ran across an SF post that quoted Mahatma Gandhi to bolster the “whites are superior” position – in a thread bashing a website set up by an (Asian) Indian guy, no less. Yeah, enlist a skinny non-white peacenik to your cause when it’s convenient. Oh, the irony. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-possible-explination-for-certain-guests/237264/34 "2004-03-30T21:10:36Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Paleo-Conservative? 😕 > (don’t wanna go to the site to find out…) Read “watered-down white supremacist dipshit”. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-possible-explination-for-certain-guests/237264/35 "2004-03-30T21:13:34Z")
> [@TitoBenito](#): > > 1. First, we post something very-true-but-politically-incorrect, e.g. Blacks having more diabetes than Whites despite diet factors. I’ve never heard this particular claim before, and it doesn’t seem either preposterously unbelievable or necessarily evil and racist (although presumably it would be in this context). Does anyone know where it originated, and if there’s any truth to it? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-possible-explination-for-certain-guests/237264/36 "2004-03-30T21:26:14Z")
> [@Really Not All That Bright](#): > > Read “watered-down white supremacist dipshit”. Nyeh. Plus or minus. Pat Buchanan is defined in that ‘paleoconservative’ space. I almost ran ‘American Conservative’ magazine a few years ago. Man, that would have been a fun challenge. Think of them as not so much ‘white supremacists’ but rather old-school republicanism in that they want us to disengage from foreign adventures (like the UN, for example), kill the deficit, and minimize the government influence on peoples lives as much as possible, trade protectionism, and a tight control on immigration. [Heck, here’s a link to that magazine.](http://www.amconmag.com/aboutus.html) Note: it doesn’t use the word ‘paleo-conservative’ but that’s how they consistently self-identified during several interviews in 2002. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-possible-explination-for-certain-guests/237264/37 "2004-03-30T21:46:55Z")
> [@](#): > > We have just been kicked off of yet another MB/BB for something we posted. We have been kicked off of maybe 10 MBs in the last 2 years. Big deal? Well, the pattern of us getting kicked off of MBs is very similar: > > 1. First, we post something very-true-but-politically-incorrect, e.g. Blacks having more diabetes than Whites despite diet factors. > > 2. Second, a poster at the MB yells and screams about that post, but strangely that poster cannot offer any concrete reason why our post is inaccurate. That complaining poster is almost always a self-identified Jew [90% of the time]. > > 3. After 10 or 12 posts, we are banned from the MB. Whenever we ask the board administration which posts of ours were untrue/wrong/inaccurate, they cannot or will not tell us" Yeah, I remember when this happened… **Poster 1** : Of course, blacks in America have a higher rate of hypertension than do other ethnic groups… **Everyone Else** : That’s bullshit! You’re a racist! I’m a self identified jew 90% of the time! Yell and scream! **Poster 1** : No, it’s true. According to the American Heart Association, numerous studies have shown that black Americans have around twice the rate of high blood pressure, and five to seven times the rate of severe hypertension. It’s a serious problem. Here, look at these links to [Pathophysiology of Hypertension in Blacks (Oxford Press)](http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/Medicine/Physiology/?ci=0195067207&view=usa) and [The American Heart Association](http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=3010303). **Evil Mod Person** : We do not allow links to racist websites like the American Heart Association that point out innocuous and undisputed medical facts. You’re banned, you wretch. Yep. Happens just like that, all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-possible-explination-for-certain-guests/237264/38 "2004-03-30T23:05:34Z")
> [@TitoBenito](#): > > "Please, don’t post any retarded Nazi/Skinhead/KKK stuff, just good intelligent Paleo-Conservative and Christian Nationalist messages. Stick to literature by **Kevin MacDonald** , Jared Taylor, Pat Buchanan, J. Philippe Rushton… I knew it! He was always the shiftiest of the Kids in the Hall! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-possible-explination-for-certain-guests/237264/39 "2004-03-30T23:05:34Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I’ve never heard this particular claim before, and it doesn’t seem either preposterously unbelievable or necessarily evil and racist (although presumably it would be in this context). Does anyone know where it originated, and if there’s any truth to it? [Seems to be genetic](http://www.blackhealthcare.com/BHC/Diabetes/Description.asp). ---
**Author:** ![Inoshiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a9adbd/32.png) [@Inoshiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inoshiro)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-possible-explination-for-certain-guests/237264/40 "2004-03-30T23:20:38Z")
> [@Jonathan Chance](#): > > Nyeh. Plus or minus. Pat Buchanan is defined in that ‘paleoconservative’ space. I almost ran ‘American Conservative’ magazine a few years ago. Man, that would have been a fun challenge. > > Think of them as not so much ‘white supremacists’ but rather old-school republicanism in that they want us to disengage from foreign adventures (like the UN, for example), kill the deficit, and minimize the government influence on peoples lives as much as possible, trade protectionism, and a tight control on immigration. > > [Heck, here’s a link to that magazine.](http://www.amconmag.com/aboutus.html) > > Note: it doesn’t use the word ‘paleo-conservative’ but that’s how they consistently self-identified during several interviews in 2002. Yeah, the Paleos are opposed to the neo-cons who are much more pro-Israel and “internationalist” and quite a few of whose opinion leaders are Jewish IIRC. This is one reason why the WN types stick with the Paleo crowd. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-possible-explination-for-certain-guests/237264.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-possible-explination-for-certain-guests/237264.md?page=3)