# A Prominent British Jew speaks the truth about Israel and Palestine **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 25, 2014, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-prominent-british-jew-speaks-the-truth-about-israel-and-palestine/694030 "2014-07-25T15:50:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-prominent-british-jew-speaks-the-truth-about-israel-and-palestine/694030/1 "2014-07-25T15:50:07Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/qMGuYjt6CP8/hqdefault.jpg "UK Jewish MP: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8) A brave and wise man. Wait for the Israeli embassy to denigrate him in the media. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-prominent-british-jew-speaks-the-truth-about-israel-and-palestine/694030/2 "2014-07-25T15:52:36Z")
Brave? How? In Europe, his is the conventional wisdom. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-prominent-british-jew-speaks-the-truth-about-israel-and-palestine/694030/3 "2014-07-25T16:18:54Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8) > > A brave and wise man. > > Wait for the Israeli embassy to denigrate him in the media. It is certainly not. We may not be as one sided as the US press and population, but it is still difficult to criticise Israel without considerable abuse and accusations of anti-Semitism. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-prominent-british-jew-speaks-the-truth-about-israel-and-palestine/694030/4 "2014-07-25T16:21:39Z")
This video is like 5 years old ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-prominent-british-jew-speaks-the-truth-about-israel-and-palestine/694030/5 "2014-07-25T16:27:03Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > This video is like 5 years old It has currently gone viral in the UK following the problem in Gaza. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-prominent-british-jew-speaks-the-truth-about-israel-and-palestine/694030/6 "2014-07-25T16:39:19Z")
Gad, a Jew critical of Israeli policies. Those aren’t rare even in Israel. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-prominent-british-jew-speaks-the-truth-about-israel-and-palestine/694030/7 "2014-07-25T16:50:35Z")
If Hamas started firing rockets unprovoked into Israel it becomes a little odd how Israel is the bad guy. Unless having a vastly superior military means a state must necessarily allow the little guy to do whatever he wants… ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-prominent-british-jew-speaks-the-truth-about-israel-and-palestine/694030/8 "2014-07-25T16:56:49Z")
I don’t want to watch YouTube - is there a summary somewhere? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-prominent-british-jew-speaks-the-truth-about-israel-and-palestine/694030/9 "2014-07-25T17:08:46Z")
The brig summary is that Gerry Kaufman is a hysterical idiot. But there’s a summary on his wikipedia page…basically, the Israelis are the moral equivalents of Nazis. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-prominent-british-jew-speaks-the-truth-about-israel-and-palestine/694030/10 "2014-07-25T17:11:35Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8) > > A brave and wise man. > > Wait for the Israeli embassy to denigrate him in the media. Assume not everybody can play a vid with sound and tell us what he said. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-prominent-british-jew-speaks-the-truth-about-israel-and-palestine/694030/11 "2014-07-25T17:29:32Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > It is certainly not. We may not be as one sided as the US press and population, but it is still difficult to criticise Israel without considerable abuse and accusations of anti-Semitism. It’s still easier than criticizing the Palestinians. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-prominent-british-jew-speaks-the-truth-about-israel-and-palestine/694030/12 "2014-07-25T17:34:10Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > If Hamas started firing rockets unprovoked into Israel it becomes a little odd how Israel is the bad guy. Unless having a vastly superior military means a state must necessarily allow the little guy to do whatever he wants… “Unprovoked” ignores several decades of history! ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-prominent-british-jew-speaks-the-truth-about-israel-and-palestine/694030/13 "2014-07-25T17:35:36Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > It’s still easier than criticizing the Palestinians. Oh, definitely not. The Palestinians only have the “I have no State card” whereas the Israelis have the “Holocaust card”. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-prominent-british-jew-speaks-the-truth-about-israel-and-palestine/694030/14 "2014-07-25T17:38:41Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > Oh, definitely not. > > The Palestinians only have the “I have no State card” whereas the Israelis have the “Holocaust card”. The Palestinians also have the whole “colonialism” card, which I hear plays big in Europe. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-prominent-british-jew-speaks-the-truth-about-israel-and-palestine/694030/15 "2014-07-25T17:43:17Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > Oh, definitely not. > > The Palestinians only have the “I have no State card” whereas the Israelis have the “Holocaust card”. Israel also has the ‘we are just retaliating to idiots tossing rockets at us…again \’ card, which generally plays pretty well to folks who are actually following along on this crazy train. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-prominent-british-jew-speaks-the-truth-about-israel-and-palestine/694030/16 "2014-07-25T17:50:48Z")
Would Israel’s image in the international community be enhanced if it decided to simply absorb suicide bombings and rocket attacks for a few months, without retaliating? I ask this as a half sarcastic but also half serious question. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-prominent-british-jew-speaks-the-truth-about-israel-and-palestine/694030/17 "2014-07-25T18:10:25Z")
There should really be a named mental illness for the people who can’t tell who the good guys are in this conflict. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-prominent-british-jew-speaks-the-truth-about-israel-and-palestine/694030/18 "2014-07-25T18:17:30Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > There should really be a named mental illness for the people who can’t tell who the good guys are in this conflict. There aren’t any here. Believing there are always good guys is an American affectation. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-prominent-british-jew-speaks-the-truth-about-israel-and-palestine/694030/19 "2014-07-25T18:19:08Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > There aren’t any here. There rarely are when it’s Israelis v. Palestinians. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-prominent-british-jew-speaks-the-truth-about-israel-and-palestine/694030/20 "2014-07-25T18:42:04Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Israel also has the ‘we are just retaliating to idiots tossing rockets at us…again \’ card, which generally plays pretty well to folks who are actually following along on this crazy train. Except they ignore the complicated history of the occupation and annexation of Arab lands over three generations. All things considered, Israel has gone out of its way to terrorise, dominate and punish its Arab neighbours and its responses are rarely in anyway proportionate. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-prominent-british-jew-speaks-the-truth-about-israel-and-palestine/694030.md?page=2)