# A question about a certain type of rifle

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**Category:** Factual Questions\
**Created:** [February 15, 2022, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-about-a-certain-type-of-rifle/959497 "2022-02-15T03:40:54Z")\
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**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\
**Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-about-a-certain-type-of-rifle/959497/21 "2022-02-15T21:01:43Z")

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Maybe just his blankets then.

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**Author:** ![gnarator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gnarator/32/8266_2.png) [@gnarator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarator)\
**Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-about-a-certain-type-of-rifle/959497/22 "2022-02-15T21:21:12Z")

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> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#):
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> The G98/K98 was such a good design that the U.S. immediately switched its focus from the Krag Jorgensen rifle (which had only been in production for a few years) to producing the Springfield Model 1903. If you look at a Springfield 1903 it is literally a copy of the Mauser design.

Some unfortunate experiences with the Spanish Mauser in the Spanish-American war no doubt had something to do with it.

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**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\
**Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-about-a-certain-type-of-rifle/959497/23 "2022-02-15T21:37:32Z")

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Of course you mean the US Army regarding the Krag, and not the Navy/Marines. They swapped their Winchester-Lee’s for Springfields for similar reasons, and were reluctant to swap them for Garands later on because it would make it harder to earn the pay bump for qualifying as rifle expert shooters.

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**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\
**Post date:** [February 16, 2022, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-about-a-certain-type-of-rifle/959497/24 "2022-02-16T00:30:19Z")

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I’m developing a whole list of names for dogs!!!

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**Author:** ![Bookkeeper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bookkeeper/32/281_2.png) [@Bookkeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bookkeeper)\
**Post date:** [February 16, 2022, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-about-a-certain-type-of-rifle/959497/25 "2022-02-16T05:45:54Z")

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> [@thelurkinghorror](#):
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> The UK/Commonwealth equivalent would be the Enfield, again multiple models thought the SMLE No. Mk III is probably the most iconic (it would be a dog with a very short muzzle because the stock goes almost all the way down). The 1903 itself was supplemented with the M1917 “American Enfield” pretty quickly, so that was the main one used in WWI. And still is used today(!) by the Danish arctic sled dog unit, as (semi)autos can freeze up and polar bears are scary.
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> Dachshunds are temperamental and need an appropriate name, Howitzer maybe.

The Canadian Rangers, patrolling the Canadian High Arctic, were equipped with the [Lee–Enfield No 4 rifle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle_No_4) until 2015 for the same reason. They now use the [C19 rifle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Canada_C19), a Finnish bolt-action rifle slightly modified for Canadian service.

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**Author:** ![LivingGhost371](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b9e5f3/32.png) [@LivingGhost371](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LivingGhost371)\
**Post date:** [February 20, 2022, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-about-a-certain-type-of-rifle/959497/26 "2022-02-20T17:02:02Z")

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A “Springfield” 1903 was such a close copy that the U.S. agreed that they infringed on Mauser’s patents and paid royalties (75 cents per rifle) until that was ended as part of the WWI peace settlement.

I own 14 military surplus rifles of the World War eras, and the Mauser and Springfield are by far the closet together in feel; the Mosin Nagents feel very firm and solid , with the Enfields very loose, and the Springfields and K98 Mauser in between.

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**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\
**Post date:** [February 20, 2022, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-about-a-certain-type-of-rifle/959497/27 "2022-02-20T18:29:27Z")

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> [@Bookkeeper](#):
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> Lee–Enfield No 4 rifle

> [@LivingGhost371](#):
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> I own 14 military surplus rifles of the World War eras

I have a Lee-Enfield No. 4, a Mauser-built 1917 Gev 98 (modified to a K98), and a Yugoslavian K98. (Plus an Inland (GM) and an IBM M1 Carbine.)

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**Author:** ![Dandan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@Dandan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dandan)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-about-a-certain-type-of-rifle/959497/28 "2022-02-21T23:08:00Z")

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> [@thelurkinghorror](#):
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> Minié, though it’s pronounced minnie for some reason.

Because most of us are Yankee Doodles - do you expect us to go the extra inch, pronunciation-wise?

Dan

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**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-about-a-certain-type-of-rifle/959497/29 "2022-02-21T23:18:30Z")

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> [@Slithy\_Tove](#):
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> They swapped their Winchester-Lee’s for Springfields for similar reasons, and were reluctant to swap them for Garands later on because it would make it harder to earn the pay bump for qualifying as rifle expert shooters.

Which pretty much proves the stupidity of institutional thinking, because the Garand is a much better weapon than the Springfield and just as accurate in the right hands.

Gotta be Springfield, because as **LG371** noted, it was a Mauser. Just with the numbers filed off and a new paint job. I own over a dozen Mausers. But I shoot the Garand. Besides, that would be a great name for a dog even without the backstory.

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**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-about-a-certain-type-of-rifle/959497/30 "2022-02-22T02:33:44Z")

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British English with their leftenants drinking claret seems more egregious, but it might be intentional considering historical rivalry even when they were on the same side.

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**Author:** ![gnarator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gnarator/32/8266_2.png) [@gnarator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarator)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-about-a-certain-type-of-rifle/959497/31 "2022-02-24T18:58:30Z")

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> [@LivingGhost371](#):
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> I own 14 military surplus rifles of the World War eras, and the Mauser and Springfield are by far the closet together in feel; the Mosin Nagents feel very firm and solid , with the Enfields very loose, and the Springfields and K98 Mauser in between.

> [@Johnny\_L.A](#):
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> I have a Lee-Enfield No. 4, a Mauser-built 1917 Gev 98 (modified to a K98), and a Yugoslavian K98. (Plus an Inland (GM) and an IBM M1 Carbine.)

I’m curious which ones you prefer. I’ve shot SMLE, Springfield 1903, and K98. The first two had been “sporterized”, but I thought the K98 kicked hard.

The Yugo M48s seem fairly common now.

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**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-about-a-certain-type-of-rifle/959497/32 "2022-02-24T20:08:05Z")

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I’ve never gotten around to shooting the Enfield. The Mauser kicks like a thing that is known for kicking very hard.

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