# A question about Holocaust deniers

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**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [October 7, 2012, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-about-holocaust-deniers/636985 "2012-10-07T14:46:57Z")\
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**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-about-holocaust-deniers/636985/81 "2012-10-12T14:36:14Z")

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Mmmm… Nazi beef.

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**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-about-holocaust-deniers/636985/82 "2012-10-12T14:53:23Z")

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> [@handsomeharry](#):
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> I think you’re thinking of the wrong grassy knoll. I’ve never read of a Jewish conspiracy in the JFK thing. Never. And, I’m a JFKCT.

[Ha ha ha!](http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/mossadandtheassassination.htm). Yet another instance of the Jewish Media suppressing [Jewish Kennedy assassination](http://www.jta.org/news/article/2009/09/23/1008075/work-on-gadhafis-ny-tent-halted) CTs!

> [@Boyo Jim](#):
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> Mmmm… Nazi beef.

It’s not _really_ beef. :eek:

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**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-about-holocaust-deniers/636985/83 "2012-10-12T15:16:39Z")

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> [@willthekittensurvive](#):
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> Question, what was the Nazis beef with the Jehovah’s Witness?

Because they don’t believe in governments, discourage their followers from joining the military and a number of other things that piss off authoritarians and really piss off totalitarians.

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**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-about-holocaust-deniers/636985/84 "2012-10-12T15:20:15Z")

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> [@willthekittensurvive](#):
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> Question, what was the Nazis beef with the Jehovah’s Witness?

They knocked on Hitler’s door _once_ too often.

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**Author:** ![Hershele\_Ostropoler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e47c2d/32.png) [@Hershele\_Ostropoler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hershele_Ostropoler)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-about-holocaust-deniers/636985/85 "2012-10-12T17:12:00Z")

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I’ve seen a sort of inverse Holocaust denial from (a small minority of) Zionists. Obviously they don’t claim the number of Jews killed is exaggerated; rather, they insist that it was only Jews, that the rounding up and gassing of Roma, LGBT, Communists etc. didn’t happen – or, chillingly, shouldn’t count.

> [@Monty](#):
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> Whenever I’ve queried said CTs on their particular flavor of the moment “theory,” every time it ends up with one of the obviously anti-Semitic “theories” being touted as proof of the flavor of the moment.

On the Skeptic’s Guide to the Universe podcast not long ago, there was a sort of field report from someone who’d been to a CT convention who reported that every nutjob narrative eventually included Jews/Judaism, in varying levels of veiled terms.

> [@Simple\_Linctus](#):
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> I am rather skeptical that many of the “labelled” anti-semitic conspiaracy theorists are actually anti-semitic though, at least in a bigotted way. You can believe in a shadowy group of jewish people controlling things without believing most jews are in on it (likewise freemasons etc).

There are levels of antisemitism (or any form of bigotry). I think it counts if you think all people who act adversely to the good of humanity are either Jews or taking orders from Jews; I don’t think this is meaningfully mitigated if you don’t think all or even most Jews are in on it.

That may not constitute antisemitism, but I would agree with Marley that it’s certainly a sign of it.

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**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\
**Post date:** [October 28, 2012, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-about-holocaust-deniers/636985/86 "2012-10-28T06:29:19Z")

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> [@Cheshire\_Human](#):
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> They knocked on Hitler’s door _once_ too often.

Wait a minute…do you mean that all I have to do to keep them away from my house is to become a dictator, and set up a bunch of concentration camps??:eek:

“Hmmmm…” said handsomeharry, looking off into the distance thoughtfully,as though intrigued.

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**Author:** ![Lust4Life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecc23a/32.png) [@Lust4Life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lust4Life)\
**Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-about-holocaust-deniers/636985/87 "2012-10-29T22:58:04Z")

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Anyone who denies a matter of historical fact, regardless of what that fact is is IMO mentally ill.

Its on film, its on photos, there are first hand accounts from the victims, and first hand accounts from the liberators, even though those liberators didn’t particulary like each other .

As in Russians and the Western allies.

Its like denying D Day happened, or the Blitz, or the nuclear bombings.

You have to be seriously F#cked up to deny that it happened.

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