Are you seriously trying to suggest that disliking some jews is anti-semitic?
Believing paranoid nonsense about a worldwide Jewish conspiracy isn’t “disliking some Jews,” and yes, it’s inherently anti-Semitic. Unless you’re this guy.
Well, if you define believing in a worldwide jewish conspiracy as anti-semitic as being anti-semitic per se, then of course it is ant semitic.
I however think that that completely weakens the term. At the core of anti-semitism is hatred for a people and that simply isn’t something that has to be a feature of beleiving in a jewish conspriacy (it would be different if you believed that all jews were part of the conspiracy).
It kind of goes without saying that you hate Jews if you believe a sinister Jewish cabal faked the Holocaust and runs the world financial system (to name two common delusions). That point of view is impossible to swallow without a great deal of anti-Jewish prejudice.
No, what he’s saying is that one would have to be highly unaware of the history of anti-Semitism to argue that believing in The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, or similar Jewish conspiracies isn’t anti-Semitic.
Sorry, but I completely disagree. If you believe that all Jews* are in on it, then yes you hate Jews. If however you happen to believe that there is a cabal that is made up entirely of Jews then you can hate that cabal without hating all Jews. And that goes even if you think that the cabal only lets other Jews join.
It’s a bit like if someone thought a cabal of white men ran the world, and you were only allowed to join that cabal if you were in fact a white man. That wouldn’t be a sexist or racist belief per se.
*I’ve noticed everyone else is capitalising so I am thinking my previous grammar was wrong, what is the rule here?
You’re insisting on a fictional distinction since I don’t think anyone actually believes this. In the real world, yes, people who think the world is run by a Jewish conspiracy (or that the Jews faked the Holocaust) hate Jews. It is impossible to entertain the possibility of a conspiracy of Holocaust-faking, bank-manipulating, media-controlling Christ-killers without hating the same people.
Granted but it is perfectly possible to entertain the possibility of a conspiracy of a group of people who are out to manipulate the banks, and as part of that need to control the media, and push the holocaust so as to quieten people who KNOW THE TRUTH!!!
(the Christ-killing thing would seem to be a decent demarkation line over which almost everyone would be a bigot, without suggesting that those on the other side are all not)
What makes that insane and illogical is the total lack of factual basis for it. There doesn’t have to be hatred there.
By the way I would say that the vast majority of holocaust deniers are anti-semites but I wouldn’t say that about those who believe in hollywood conspiracies.
For a fantastic book that is written by a Jewish guy, Robson, who followed David Icke during a weird tour in Canada that was protested by anti-anti-semite groups (and frankly in an inept foolish way) then get “Them: Adventures with Extremists”. He is convinced that Icke himself is not an anti-semite, but he does seem to suggest that others following him might be.
And that’s only part of the book, too. The entire book is brilliant. Plenty of Alex Jones 
He’s the guy who wrote the men who stare at goats.
You’re changing the terms of the discussion again: we were talking about what people believe, not “entertaining the possibility.” And absent antisemitism, why would anyone consider this stuff even the least bit plausible? Because the Jews have been treated so well everyplace they have gone throughout history?
Regarding enternaining the possibility - well it’s more than that actually, I believe that a significant number of the conspiracy theorists, although I can’t really put a figure on it better than 25%-75%, think exactly like I said.
Regarding the second point - Eh? It’s conspiracy theorists! They believe in all kinds of implausible stuff.
Here’s a great article by the aformentioned Ronson from his book: Beset by lizards which is not afraid to take on the anti-semitic thing.
Ronson, see post 47.
Aren’t there any Jewish CTs?!
While I don’t agree with the idea that all CTs are anti-Semites, pointing out that many CTs are Jewish does nothing to disprove that.
Blacks are quite capable of being anti-black racists and Jews are certainly capable of being anti-Semites.
Hell, whites are capable of hating other white people and being ashamed of being white.
They’re the smart ones.
The world HQ of internet conspiracy sites is whale to. The site is run by a welsh pig farmer named John Scudamore. The crazy fuck is deep into holocaust denial and all sorts of other crazy including anti-vax nuttery and lizard king nonsense.
“Lizard king” . . . are we talking David Icke, or Jim Morrison?
The Rabin Assassination CTs I’ve met are a fairly odious bunch; mostly, they come form the Israeli right.
I think you’re thinking of the wrong grassy knoll. I’ve never read of a Jewish conspiracy in the JFK thing. Never. And, I’m a JFKCT.
Here’s a rather novel spin on the whole issue: The Holocaust was real, it happened, and the Jews did it. The Nazis were really Zionist Jews cleverly disguised.
Gaza flotilla sponsor publishes tweet blaming Jews for Holocaust
If I was a Jew then I’d subscribe to all kinds of nasty CT. And mostly I’d be correct. Although I don’t know if it is a CT when it is real, or paranoia when they really are out to get you.
Question, what was the Nazis beef with the Jehovah’s Witness?