Poe’s Law has eaten our entire lives.
Is your point that the allegations that Hillary had him killed, as well as the email issue, are both ridiculous?
Secretaries are employees. There is one standard. Everyone who works on a government computer is told every time that they log on that the information on that computer belongs to the government and not them. Everyone who handles classified information is told how to handle it. The difference is that if you are high enough there is no one willing to say no.
FOIA is the law, if you withhold information from a legitimate request you are breaking the law. Classified information handling is the law, if you mishandle classified information you are breaking the law.
When Clinton used her own email server she put her paranoia about privacy over the nation’s security. That is why it is a big deal.
Colin Powell is a red herring. When he served the laws about computer security were different. Most work computers were not even able to go on the internet.
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I’m not certain how I missed the word emphasized here. Either it’s because I’m sick, tired or a congenital moron. Please accept my apologies. :smack:
Way to denigrate.
She wasn’t a “secretary”-She was Secretary Of State.
So someone 70 years old wanted one email not several- big deal.
Apparently I was not such an egregious breach of rules than anyone complained - Obama was perfectly capable of putting his foot down if it mattered.
Apparently it did not matter.
As mentioned, it was even the recommended solution by Powell.
If anything, the controversy afterwards solidified the official rules that this is no longer acceptable, no exceptions.
The main reason, as I heard, was that FOIA requests if she used an official server would have access to all her emails, including personal ones, emails to her daughter and husband, party correspondence, her election committee, etc. With her own server, FOIA access would be limited to official business only. (I don’t think there was any suggestion she could avoid FOIA on official correspondence).
This is simply another issue to try to paint her as not presidential material.
Similarly, the Republicans tried for years and hearing after hearing to find some way to pin the Benghazi thing on her, and failed to find anything other than misinformation and innuendo to tar her with.
The idea that anyone in govt.can have someone killed extrajudicially is silly. Unless the Clintons actually were well in bed with the mafia and such or…I GUESS…really well-organized black ops military buddies.
BUT the notion there is some shadowy cabal, or the higher-ups have access to amazing assasins is utter bunk. Govts are lumbering, inefficient behemoths that no one is really sure how it works. Look at your typical DMV. THAT is the govt. If you became President and the first thing you did was say to the cabinet…“Ok, I want to see the aliens, find out who killed JFK and I want some reallllly good MDMA.”
Someone would shrug, do an Oceans 11 and say “I think my cousin has some connections.” Look at Marion Barry! Look at Robert Kraft…not that Kraft is in govt, but still.
How did Clinton dispose of those phones?? Did she drop them into a secret atomizer on her personal plane? NO…they were smashed by aides with hammers.
Theres a funny sketch in there somewhere. Dated but kinda funny.
Well, obviously the allegations are ridiculous. I’m trying to figure out if Septimus is referencing because he believes that they are ridiculous too.
One thing I do find ridiculous is that people are still Just.Asking.Questions about Hillary’s email.
Well, the allegation/bullshit that the email was improper did have some validity to it. Many others committed the same impropriety or worse. (A CIA Director once committed the same security violation for which an Asian-American was imprisoned.) Other offenders included Secretary Colin Powell and [wait, cue the laugh track] Ivanka Kushner, The Very Special Top-Secret-Cleared Special Adviser on Very Special Top Secret Matters to the President. Her blunder, after Daddy and his mentors like Hannity and Alex Jones prattled about Hillary’s emails over and over and over was indeed ridiculous; would you agree?
When I first clicked in response to OP, I prepared a clearer, more thorough message. But the thread was then in GQ; I noted that and, before clicking Submit, deleted all but the final sentence of my original intended post.
Gotcha, so we are in agreement? The murder/conspiracy/pizza allegations are ridiculous, the emails were somewhat improper but blown way out of proportion and should have had no impact on the election, especially considering how, while the email affair may be a black smudge on Clinton’s record, her opponent’s record was just one big black smudge?
In that light, I assume you referenced the allegations to demonstrate how people think about Hillary and why they cling to this email thing so hard? In that case, I agree, I just misread your initial post as supporting that viewpoint. As someone else mentioned, Poe’s Law.
How do you know it did not matter? Because no one was brave enough to ruin their career by standing up to the Secretary of State?
Colin Powell denies offering her advice on how to manage her email.
What solidified the official rules is when the official rules were put in place. When everyone was briefed on those rules. That is how rules work.
So we should lock Ivanka up in the cell next to Hilliary, right?
What you quoted wasn’t denigrating, it is a fact. The rules on electronic communications in the Department of State applied to her just as much as the GS-5 intern. It’s just that nobody is ever afraid to tell the intern that they have to follow the rules.
Correction: we do not know for a fact that her server wasn’t hacked, we just have no evidence to show that it was. It is known that the private server’s security at times was terrible, and so far as anyone can tell, nobody bothered to crawl in through all the open windows. Perhaps it was simply luck.
Meh. She wanted to get her work done, wanted that work to be significant and important and not bogged down in nitpicky little technical details for which she probably had no patience or interest. Big deal.
Trump at least plays it safe by golfing and tweeting instead of working. I’m sure his staff knows the best way for him to protect classified information is to not be told about it in the first place.
Brave , brave Sir puddleglum, there was no shortage of people to decry every single minute she was there, for all slights real and/or imagined.
it’s ironic that Trump shares this trait with Clinton: both of them wanted their devices, and not be told by anyone that they have to do anything different because of cybersecurity.
I think the classified stuff is more important than the record keeping stuff which can be fixed retroactively. If Ivanka had classified information in those emails then she should receive the same punishment as Hillary.
Following the law to protect the security of the country is not nitpicky little technical details. She deliberately compromised the security of the country to make her life slightly easier and to keep things secret from the press.
And if it turns out that there was “classified stuff” in Ivanka’s emails, no doubt the qualification would change to certain special types of “classified stuff” that would mysteriously only pertain to Hillary Clinton.