# A question foer the opponents of interracial marriage **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 27, 2009, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-foer-the-opponents-of-interracial-marriage/497789 "2009-05-27T14:10:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Valteron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f17d59/32.png) [@Valteron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valteron)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-foer-the-opponents-of-interracial-marriage/497789/21 "2009-05-27T15:49:26Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > The funny thing about that is that I think there is a very strong case that Christianity was intended to be a force for miscegenation. When you become a Christian you stop being of your tribe and start being a Christian. That’s what people mean by ‘Christian Universalism’. So miscegenation would actually fit perfectly within the Christian framework. You are a bright person, mswas. Has it not occurred to you that the Chrsitian religion can be and has been and is being used to support or oppose just about anything from torturing and burning heretics to lynching uppity niggers, from opposing slavery to condemning it (although the pro-slavery people could wipe up the floor with the abolitionists if both are using biblical quotations to back their case) or to both support and oppose gay marriage? Do you have your bible ready? Would you like some quotes on both sides of just about any issue you care to name? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-foer-the-opponents-of-interracial-marriage/497789/22 "2009-05-27T15:50:10Z")
Interracial wedding cake! Chocolate and vanilla in the same dessert! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-foer-the-opponents-of-interracial-marriage/497789/23 "2009-05-27T15:50:18Z")
Specifically it would create a problem for those who think that interracial marriage is an immoral act. If this does not apply to you, of course you think there would be no harm, but if it does apply to you then there is actual harm being done, as has been pointed out by people time and again that state sponsored schools will be teaching acceptance of interracial marriage (sin). ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-foer-the-opponents-of-interracial-marriage/497789/24 "2009-05-27T15:54:56Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > The funny thing about that is that I think there is a very strong case that Christianity was intended to be a force for miscegenation. When you become a Christian you stop being of your tribe and start being a Christian. That’s what people mean by ‘Christian Universalism’. So miscegenation would actually fit perfectly within the Christian framework. Guess it depends on your Christian interpretation of the Bible. See Acts 17:26 (God meant for the races to be separate): _“And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;”_ See [Curse of Ham](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham). ---
**Author:** ![Zephyurs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/dfb087/32.png) [@Zephyurs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zephyurs)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-foer-the-opponents-of-interracial-marriage/497789/25 "2009-05-27T16:00:53Z")
There is also the fact that allowing whites to marry blacks can lead down to lots of unpleasant things. If you allow that, what’s next? Adults marrying children? An equestrian marrying his horse? Men marrying women? There’s no logical reason to stop with interracial marriage, if you go with the miscegenation proponents. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-foer-the-opponents-of-interracial-marriage/497789/26 "2009-05-27T16:02:11Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Since 1967, anyway. Many of us are still alive who remember a time before then. > > But you did stop short of saying it’s “always” been that, or that it’s the “traditional definition” of marriage, at least. Interracial marriage does not in any way have anything to do with marriage as it is defined, and the definition argument never applied to it, even then. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-foer-the-opponents-of-interracial-marriage/497789/27 "2009-05-27T16:03:18Z")
Deny it all you like. But you do see the point. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-foer-the-opponents-of-interracial-marriage/497789/28 "2009-05-27T16:05:20Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You are aware, I hope, of the wide range of belief systems using that name. It’s remarkable how often different “Christian” peoples have \*killed \*each other in the name of their own particular belief, isn’t it? How do you explain that? Christian conversion works slowly to erode the tribalisms of the past, recently made Christians have always imposed their tribal beliefs on the conversion process, it’s only natural. 😉 > [@](#): > > If there were such a thing with any coherence or meaning, that is. Meaningless hyperbole. There is plenty of agreement across sect between Christians. > [@](#): > > There’s a whole lot of material in the Bible supporting actual slavery, you know. No way can the same book be interpreted as not condemning interracial marriage, right? So you’re a biblical literalist eh? (Also slavery wasn’t based on racial lines until the modern era) ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-foer-the-opponents-of-interracial-marriage/497789/29 "2009-05-27T16:06:22Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Deny it all you like. But you do see the point. I do, I see that the definition argument was never brought up during the era of miscegenation laws. No one ever argued that a union between a white man and a black woman or a black woman and a white man wasn’t marriage, they just thought that the marriage was an abomination. The definition argument is just inapplicable to this topic. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-foer-the-opponents-of-interracial-marriage/497789/30 "2009-05-27T16:09:27Z")
Is the love that is shared between a man and a woman of similar races unique and special enough to deserve its own unique and special celebration? If so, then I think that is the most convincing argument to protect marriage as a race based-only union. So a negative consequence of allowing interracial marriage is… Same race couples who wish to celebrate the love that exists between a man and a woman of the same race will be robbed of the traditionally unique and special way of doing it. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-foer-the-opponents-of-interracial-marriage/497789/31 "2009-05-27T16:13:14Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > I see that the definition argument was never brought up during the era of miscegenation laws. It didn’t need to be. The “interracial sex is icky” argument was enough by itself, in that time and place, without having to invent ahistorical definitions. > [@](#): > > No one ever argued that a union between a white man and a black woman or a black woman and a white man wasn’t marriage Sure they did. To implement that position, interracial marriage simply wasn’t given any legal standing at all in many states, just like same-sex marriages in many states aren’t even now. > [@](#): > > The definition argument is just inapplicable to this topic. Deny it all you like. You do get the point. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-foer-the-opponents-of-interracial-marriage/497789/32 "2009-05-27T16:17:00Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Christian conversion works slowly to erode the tribalisms of the past, recently made Christians have always imposed their tribal beliefs on the conversion process, it’s only natural. 😉 Cite? > [@](#): > > Meaningless hyperbole. Do you ever actually address points that show the falsity of your statements, or simply dismiss their applicability? Ever?:dubious: > [@](#): > > So you’re a biblical literalist eh? No, but many, many people who have called themselves Christians were and are. The point, since it hasn’t gotten through, is to refute your claim to the blanket definition that “Christians” and “Christian morality” are opposed to same-sex marriage as a matter of “Christian” religious belief. You might explain that to the Episcopalians or the UCC people, for instance. ---
**Author:** ![straggler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@straggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/straggler)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-foer-the-opponents-of-interracial-marriage/497789/33 "2009-05-27T16:26:47Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Same race couples who wish to celebrate the love that exists between a man and a woman of the same race will be robbed of the traditionally unique and special way of doing it. Marriage is traditionally used as a celebration of the love between two members of the same race? :smack: ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-foer-the-opponents-of-interracial-marriage/497789/34 "2009-05-27T16:27:07Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Cite? Nah, I am not going to give you a cite for the locally cultural accretions added to Christian ritual. That topic has been done to death, on this board even. > [@](#): > > Do you ever actually address points that show the falsity of your statements, or simply dismiss their applicability? Ever?:dubious: I only dismiss them when they aren’t applicable. > [@](#): > > No, but many, many people who have called themselves Christians were and are. > > The point, since it hasn’t gotten through, is to refute your claim to the blanket definition that “Christians” and “Christian morality” are opposed to same-sex marriage as a matter of “Christian” religious belief. You might explain that to the Episcopalians or the UCC people, for instance. It’s an ongoing internal debate. Not as simple as your are attempting to make it. As for the definition argument, I don’t think there is any point in going over it any further, ‘You get the point.’ ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-foer-the-opponents-of-interracial-marriage/497789/35 "2009-05-27T16:30:39Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Nah, I am not going to give you a cite Nor did I expect one. > [@](#): > > I only dismiss them when they aren’t applicable. Who wants to play “Spot the Fallacy”?, kids? > [@](#): > > It’s an ongoing internal debate. Not as simple as your are attempting to make it. YOU have attempted to state it simply, not me. But I trust you won’t be telling us any more about “Christian morality”, anyway. > [@](#): > > As for the definition argument, I don’t think there is any point in going over it any further, ‘You get the point.’ Yes, it does seem futile. ---
**Author:** ![Valteron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f17d59/32.png) [@Valteron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valteron)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-foer-the-opponents-of-interracial-marriage/497789/36 "2009-05-27T16:37:54Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Nah, I am not going to give you a cite for the locally cultural accretions added to Christian ritual. That topic has been done to death, on this board even. > > I only dismiss them when they aren’t applicable. > > It’s an ongoing internal debate. Not as simple as your are attempting to make it. > > As for the definition argument, I don’t think there is any point in going over it any further, ‘You get the point.’ Both of you go to your rooms, right now. I mean it, young man! You’ve been acting like brats and turning every thread into a train wreck with your bickering. Don’t make me get out the strap! ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-foer-the-opponents-of-interracial-marriage/497789/37 "2009-05-27T16:47:48Z")
Obviously, small businesses would be hurt by allowing interracial marriage. All of a sudden, they’d have someone who wasn’t a spouse before, that they had no responsibility for, who would now be getting claimed as a spouse that they would now have financial responsibility for. So, how would they pay for that? Who pays for that? Interracial marriage just cost them money! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-foer-the-opponents-of-interracial-marriage/497789/38 "2009-05-27T16:52:02Z")
Wait, this is 1966, right? Small businesses don’t hire _black_ people! ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-foer-the-opponents-of-interracial-marriage/497789/39 "2009-05-27T16:54:35Z")
Yeah, but they hire the white guys who date black girls\*, so they’re still on the hook were interracial marriage to be legalized. - as seen on Mad Men! ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-foer-the-opponents-of-interracial-marriage/497789/40 "2009-05-27T16:59:48Z")
[David Duke] I support interracial marriage. It makes it easier to identify the nigger-lovers among our women, and also simplifies the process of choosing which uppity black men to lynch first. [/david duke] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-foer-the-opponents-of-interracial-marriage/497789.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-question-foer-the-opponents-of-interracial-marriage/497789.md?page=3)