And the counter argument is that it cuts both ways. Both sides are trying to impose a moral worldview on the other. That’s the essence of the culture war.
Rights of the individual vs rights of the collective.
So you don’t think books like, “My Two Mommies”, or whatever will be broached in schools like ever? I’m not talking about turning people gay, I am talking about teaching acceptance of gay marriage. Remember try to place yourself into the perspective of thinking that homosexuality is sinful and immoral.
It’s not that something will be taught as being evil, it is that that something ‘evil’ will be taught as being good.
You can use ‘rational’ as a buzzword and ‘irrational’ as an epithet all you want. Yes, religious reasons are irrational, so what? What’s your point? The question was not whether the harm caused would be a justifiable reason to ban gay marriage, the question was whether or not there is harm. If I get a vaccination, I am harmed because some prick Doctor is sticking an inch of steel directly into my veins and injecting harmful virus or bacterial cells that will make me mildly sick for a couple of days. Yes, I should get vaccinated, but it’s still harmful. Just because the benefit outweighs the cost doesn’t make it costless. You just generally aren’t going to be the one paying the cost, and from what I can tell likely won’t be reaping the benefits (could be wrong) so you don’t care about the costs.
Yes, that’s the essence of the culture war, on some issues there has to be a loser, it can’t go both ways. This is one of those issues where there is no compromise, someone loses.
This is silly.
I didn’t say nobody understands my case. A lot of people understand my case and have stated that they understood quite clearly. It’s just the people who don’t understand it that keep arguing the loudest. I don’t argue with those who just accepted my argument and moved on, why would I? It’s actually only about half a dozen or so people who don’t understand it, and care enough to keep going. The people who have summarized my position succinctly and correctly numbers pretty close to the number who keep at it.
shrugs All the hysterical adjectives are overwrought in my opinion. “Tyrannical, Evil, Oppressive, Hateful, Bigotted.” Pfft whatever.
No, they are going to lose this battle, obviously. SSM will occur over the next decade. This battle will be over by the quarter century mark.
Well, the issue with equal rights hinges around how you define marriage of course, but in this case the redefining marriage to include homosexuals faction is going to win. I’m not equating them, I am just trying to point out the proportion of hateful ranting vs substantive criticism. As you know, I agree with you, I just think that for the ‘rational’ side there’s a lot of spittle flying in my face from the frothing hysterically.
It’s not harm to straights we are talking about but harm to Traditional Christian culture in America. The harm to straights thing is a red herring that both sides have chosen to glom onto.
