# A Reagan homily that's come back to annoy me again **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 27, 2022, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-reagan-homily-thats-come-back-to-annoy-me-again/965228 "2022-05-27T20:05:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-reagan-homily-thats-come-back-to-annoy-me-again/965228/61 "2022-06-01T03:38:59Z")
ETA: Never mind back atcha, I see you figured it out. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-reagan-homily-thats-come-back-to-annoy-me-again/965228/62 "2022-06-01T03:42:46Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > But yeah, at face value it was a plausible interpretation. Sorry to continue this, but I think you’re wrong here. It had nothing to do with him. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-reagan-homily-thats-come-back-to-annoy-me-again/965228/63 "2022-06-01T03:46:35Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > It had nothing to do with him. As I’ve repeatedly said, I believe you when you say that you did not in fact have Colibri in mind when you made that remark, and intended no disrespect to his work. I believe you. “At face value it was a plausible interpretation” does not mean “I still think that was definitely what you meant and you haven’t sufficiently proved yourself innocent to avoid having it pinned on you”. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-reagan-homily-thats-come-back-to-annoy-me-again/965228/64 "2022-06-01T03:48:28Z")
_ **Moderating** _ Let’s drop the side discussion about Colibri. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-reagan-homily-thats-come-back-to-annoy-me-again/965228/65 "2022-06-01T04:09:49Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > And then others will say that they _are_ religions, but not the creed that they personally follow, which isn’t a religion because it’s a personal relationship with Christ. [Don’t start me talkin’…](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-deal-with-the-declaration-christianity-isnt-a-religion-its-a-relationship/712009/2) ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-reagan-homily-thats-come-back-to-annoy-me-again/965228/66 "2022-06-01T04:54:20Z")
Yes, the idea that some people hold that corporations are somehow more trustworthy and the government is nonsensical, at least in a Democracy. A corporation has no interest in your well being. According to the fiduciary principal, they are by law required to be greedy sociopaths. Their sole interest in you is extracting as much wealth or labor from you as possible while giving up as little to you as possible in return. The governments primary interest is getting your vote, in the next election, so they actually have an incentive to try to make your life better. This is no place that this is better exemplified than in health care. If you are in a position to actually need your healthcare, then you are costing the HMO money. They have zerp motivation helping you beyond what they are required to do by law. If you get so fed up that you decide to take your business elsewhere they will rejoice that you are now someone else’s problem. If you die all the better. The government meanwhile will want to keep you around so that you and your loved ones might say their thanks at the ballot box. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-reagan-homily-thats-come-back-to-annoy-me-again/965228/67 "2022-06-01T14:59:41Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > They have zerp motivation helping you beyond what they are required to do by law. I realize that this was probably a typo, but I really like the suggestion of a portmanteau of “zero” and “derp”. They are not just indifferent, they are stupidly indifferent. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-reagan-homily-thats-come-back-to-annoy-me-again/965228/68 "2022-06-01T15:02:52Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Don’t forget, the more conservative they are, the more likely they also believe being Jewish or Catholic is bad. Islam and Atheist go without saying. Yet they’ll insist that they’re defending “Judeo-Christian” values… ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-reagan-homily-thats-come-back-to-annoy-me-again/965228/69 "2022-06-01T18:29:33Z")
Definitely for Islam and Atheist, but in a really peculiar quirk of theology, many Evangelical Christians have special reverence for Judaism and Israel, believing them to still be God’s chosen people as laid out in the Old Testament. As far as Catholics go, it’s all ignorance that probably started 500 years ago with Martin Luther, and believing that Catholics take orders from the Pope or some other such nonsense. If they’d actually _go_ to a Catholic church on Sunday, they’d realize that it’s probably 95% the exact same as _any_ other Christian denomination including Evangelicals, and depending on the denomination, even more similar. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-reagan-homily-thats-come-back-to-annoy-me-again/965228/70 "2022-06-01T18:37:19Z")
Guys and gals, Trumpism is a full-bore Catholic thing as well. It’s not all Evangelicals. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-reagan-homily-thats-come-back-to-annoy-me-again/965228/71 "2022-06-01T19:15:11Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Trumpism is a full-bore Catholic thing as well. Oh, yeah. Two of the Trumpiest people I know are conservative Catholics (the last time I was out with both of them, they were comparing their Rosaries). ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-reagan-homily-thats-come-back-to-annoy-me-again/965228/72 "2022-06-01T23:08:41Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Oh, yeah. Two of the Trumpiest people I know are conservative Catholics (the last time I was out with both of them, they were comparing their Rosaries). Was Trump on the cross? He seems to like the perch. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-reagan-homily-thats-come-back-to-annoy-me-again/965228/73 "2022-06-02T00:17:32Z")
> [@bump](#): > > Definitely for Islam and Atheist, but in a really peculiar quirk of theology, many Evangelical Christians have special reverence for Judaism and Israel, believing them to still be God’s chosen people as laid out in the Old Testament. “Reverence” in a sense, but it’s often a hostile sort of reverence. There’s a school of thought that the reason for Israel’s existence is to be wiped out in nuclear fire to kick off the Apocalypse, in accordance with scripture, so we have to keep them around until then in order to fulfill their sacrificial purpose. Needless to say, actual Jews fail to appreciate this “honor”. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-reagan-homily-thats-come-back-to-annoy-me-again/965228/74 "2022-06-02T06:30:26Z")
> [@bump](#): > > . . . in a really peculiar quirk of theology, many Evangelical Christians have special reverence for Judaism and Israel, believing them to still be God’s chosen people as laid out in the Old Testament. As I’ve sometimes heard it explained, the attitude is that the Jews are merely temporary “caretakers” or “stewards” of the Holy Land, basically tending to the flowerbeds and keeping the lawns green and mowed until Jesus comes back to re-build New Jerusalem there. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-reagan-homily-thats-come-back-to-annoy-me-again/965228/75 "2022-06-02T13:34:23Z")
I hadn’t heard either of those particular slants on the idea… but even at that, they generally have a better status than many other groups. Where I see most of the anti-Semitism is not among the devout Evangelicals, but in the garden variety Southern Baptists and other fundamentalist-ish denominations who don’t have such nuanced theology and are still mired in the “Jews killed Jesus!” mindset. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-reagan-homily-thats-come-back-to-annoy-me-again/965228/76 "2022-06-03T10:37:21Z")
> [@bump](#): > > I hadn’t heard either of those particular slants on the idea… but even at that, they generally have a better status than many other groups. Especially if Jesus never actually shows up. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-reagan-homily-thats-come-back-to-annoy-me-again/965228/77 "2022-06-03T15:13:36Z")
Jesus had to suffer death on the cross, and then he has to spend eternity with these assholes? How much torture is enough? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-reagan-homily-thats-come-back-to-annoy-me-again/965228/78 "2022-06-03T16:44:06Z")
Actually, he has options. Told us to ‘do unto others’ and that’s the criteria for hanging out with him. "So… there was a pandemic. And, knowing how you just _hated_ to be sick, Chad, you did what to fight it? Let’s review your social media history. I have all day, which, for some of you, makes this social media review feel like a thousand years, 😆 . “Sorry, that always cracks me up…” (Later) “I presented your society with a moral crisis involving guns. Knowing you didn’t want to get shot at random, how did _you_ respond?” ---
**Author:** ![Capn\_Carl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/838e76/32.png) [@Capn\_Carl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capn_Carl)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-reagan-homily-thats-come-back-to-annoy-me-again/965228/79 "2022-06-04T00:57:50Z")
I’ve never seen a more damning set of graphs. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-reagan-homily-thats-come-back-to-annoy-me-again/965228.md?page=3)