# A real-life handicap-parking story
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-real-life-handicap-parking-story/586524
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [June 23, 2011, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-real-life-handicap-parking-story/586524 "2011-06-23T03:28:31Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 18
### Author:  [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2011, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-real-life-handicap-parking-story/586524/341 "2011-07-08T18:41:35Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#):
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> Did I call it, or did I call it?
> And you know what? I don’t believe you, or at least, I’m skeptical. Why the hell didn’t you point this out earlier?
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> :dubious:
If you really think I am lying about this, making up stories on a discussion board for a bunch of total strangers in order to make myself look a certain way, that’s on you. I told that part just now because I hadn’t remembered to before, given all the other conversations that had been taking place.
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### Author:  [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2011, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-real-life-handicap-parking-story/586524/342 "2011-07-08T18:44:20Z")
> [@billfish678](#):
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> Oh yes. Measure for Measure’s way to go is much more the way to go in these things.
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> Of course, one should not be mistaken that the mere existence of such a plan actually makes one correct in their goals. You may end up being a social activist hero. Or, if the powers that be, society, and the legal system think your view of “rights” is a crock of shit, then all you will eventually become is a quack with significant social, financial and legal problems. Fighting the man doesnt mean you are by definition right or that it will turn out well in the end. Be willing to accept that.
Of course. But in this case, the goal appears to be compliance with a set of rules to which society has already bestowed their collective imprimatur. The OP was, in other words, presumably fighting the man, but not The Man, if you take my distinction.
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### Author:  [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2011, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-real-life-handicap-parking-story/586524/343 "2011-07-08T18:50:07Z")
> [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](#):
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> Jamie, how old are you by the way? I’d guess you were about 23 or 24.
I wasn’t even going to respond to this because I saw this as a thinly-veiled insult.
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### Author:  [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2011, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-real-life-handicap-parking-story/586524/344 "2011-07-08T18:52:07Z")
Am I the only one who gets the feeling that jamiemcgarry is typing his posts in the same mindset as when he bullied the other motorists?
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### Author:  [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2011, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-real-life-handicap-parking-story/586524/345 "2011-07-08T18:56:03Z")
> [@Bricker](#):
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> Of course. But in this case, the goal appears to be compliance with a set of rules to which society has already bestowed their collective imprimatur. The OP was, in other words, presumably fighting the man, but not The Man, if you take my distinction.
I dig it man/Man.
Though, society may still balk no matter what about parking lot vigilantism no matter how slow and thorough “the plan”, even though society considers handicapped spots as part of the rules of society.
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### Author:  [@Moonlitherial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moonlitherial)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2011, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-real-life-handicap-parking-story/586524/346 "2011-07-08T18:58:38Z")
> [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](#):
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> Jamie, how old are you by the way? I’d guess you were about 23 or 24.
> [@jamiemcgarry](#):
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> I wasn’t even going to respond to this because I saw this as a thinly-veiled insult.
One of the most valuable lessons my father taught was was:
If you’re ever in doubt if you’re being complimented or insulted assume it’s a compliment. If you’re right, everything is as it should be. If you’re wrong the insulter is just going to get more pissed off and you look gracious and polite.
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### Author:  [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2011, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-real-life-handicap-parking-story/586524/347 "2011-07-08T18:59:44Z")
> [@Monty](#):
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> Am I the only one who gets the feeling that jamiemcgarry is typing his posts in the same mindset as when he bullied the other motorists?
I am a bully, but someone else doing it for the exact same reasons is “simply sticking up for his disabled sister”. ?!Bully?! Walk me through that assertion, please…
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### Author:  [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2011, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-real-life-handicap-parking-story/586524/348 "2011-07-08T19:09:10Z")
> [@jamiemcgarry](#):
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> I am a bully, but someone else doing it for the exact same reasons is “simply sticking up for his disabled sister”. ?!Bully?! Walk me through that assertion, please…
I thought you were wheelchair bound.
Fuckin’ good one huh?
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### Author:  [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2011, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-real-life-handicap-parking-story/586524/349 "2011-07-08T19:16:50Z")
> [@Omegaman](#):
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> I thought you were wheelchair bound.
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> Fuckin’ good one huh?
I prefer “wheelchair-user” 😉
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### Author:  [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2011, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-real-life-handicap-parking-story/586524/350 "2011-07-08T19:16:53Z")
> [@jamiemcgarry](#):
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> I am a bully, but someone else doing it for the exact same reasons is “simply sticking up for his disabled sister”. ?!Bully?! Walk me through that assertion, please…
So it’s okay to be a bully if you’re disabled? Gotcha.
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### Author:  [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2011, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-real-life-handicap-parking-story/586524/351 "2011-07-08T19:19:18Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#):
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> So it’s okay to be a bully if you’re disabled? Gotcha.
What? I didn’t agree with the assertion that I WAS a bully, so I asked the person making the claim to “walk me through the assertion being made” that I was indeed a bully…I don’t understand your reply at all. 😕
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### Author:  [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2011, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-real-life-handicap-parking-story/586524/352 "2011-07-08T19:20:09Z")
> [@jamiemcgarry](#):
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> I prefer “wheelchair-user” 😉
I’m glad you took that in spirit it was intended.🙂
It’s all good man. I’m handicapped too – when I see some jackoff parking in handicapp spot I tell em’ I’m going to beat the shit out of them with my cane. Some day I’ll be able to say with my peg leg.
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### Author:  [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)
#### Post date: [July 9, 2011, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-real-life-handicap-parking-story/586524/353 "2011-07-09T02:09:04Z")
> [@Bricker](#):
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> That’s a very reasonable and well-thought-out approach.
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> I’m very willing to believe the OP immediately went to Defcon 1, but it’s worth pointing out that the majority of responses suggested – or outright stated – that there was never a justification for the behavior. Your post, in contrast, foresees the remote possibility of reaching Defcon 1 after a carefully-documented journey starting at Defcon 5.
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> That makes perfect sense to me.
## Outside of the SDMB, we might be in the minority though. At the very least there is a very old tradition starting with Socrates that unjust laws passed by democratic institutions should be obeyed.
**Can of Worms Opens**
Page 7 is a little late for this but…
Did the guy park in the Handicapped space and leave his car? If not, he wasn’t really parking, he was standing his car. Which is something different.
Now AFAIK I can’t recall ever standing my car in a handicapped space (more due to fear of fines than anything else). But, um, what’s wrong with it? If somebody needs the space, you just pull away. In many jurisdictions, standing by a fire hydrant is legal (though leaving your car in front of a hydrant is a major no-no, backed by fines). IANAL and check your local jurisdiction.
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### Author:  [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)
#### Post date: [July 9, 2011, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-real-life-handicap-parking-story/586524/354 "2011-07-09T05:44:05Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#):
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> Now AFAIK I can’t recall ever standing my car in a handicapped space (more due to fear of fines than anything else). But, um, what’s wrong with it? If somebody needs the space, you just pull away. In many jurisdictions, standing by a fire hydrant is legal (though leaving your car in front of a hydrant is a major no-no, backed by fines).
Well, if a fire truck appears, \* they\* will know that a car is not where it is suppose to be, as will the driver who is parked next to the hydrant. But if somebody is standing their car in a handicapped space, it won’t immediately be clear whether they are able-bodied or not. And the handicapped person looking for a space won’t be as obvious as a fire truck either.
Jeez MfM, what’s wrong with you?
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### Author:  [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)
#### Post date: [July 9, 2011, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-real-life-handicap-parking-story/586524/355 "2011-07-09T06:29:19Z")
> [@jamiemcgarry](#):
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> I am a bully, but someone else doing it for the exact same reasons is “simply sticking up for his disabled sister”. ?!Bully?! Walk me through that assertion, please…
Walk me through were I ever said that.
Since I didn’t, you may now pull your head out of your ass and, perhaps for the first time in your life, act like an adult by apologizing. Next you can attempt to comprehend the simple concepts of “vigilantism is wrong” and “vigilantes are bullies.”
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### Author:  [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)
#### Post date: [July 9, 2011, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-real-life-handicap-parking-story/586524/356 "2011-07-09T07:19:01Z")
> [@Monty](#):
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> Walk me through were I ever said that.
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> Since I didn’t, you may now pull your head out of your ass and, perhaps for the first time in your life, act like an adult by apologizing. Next you can attempt to comprehend the simple concepts of “vigilantism is wrong” and “vigilantes are bullies.”
“Am I the only one who gets the feeling that jamiemcgarry is typing his posts in the same mindset as when he bullied the other motorists?”
Ok, you didn’t call me a bully, you said I bullied. If you want to get in a semantic bickering match, whatever. Why would I need to apologize? And where do you get the plural “motorists” from? There has only ever been one driver. And please, now that we have the pesky semantics out of the way, walk me through specifically how I was bullying the driver in the HHFC story.
And MY point in bringing this thread back with the contexual story of a fellow member engaging in the exact same actions for the exact same reason was NOT to make the case for my actions legitimacy. It was to show that HHFC exhibited double standards when it came to enforcing their policies. The reasons given for terminating my membership were only and exactly the actions committed by other members. No previous incidents, no anything. So please sir, my head never was in my ass. But I can twist around for ya so you can kiss it if you’d like. 😃
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### Author:  [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)
#### Post date: [July 9, 2011, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-real-life-handicap-parking-story/586524/357 "2011-07-09T08:30:10Z")
> [@jamiemcgarry](#):
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> so please sir, my head never was in my ass. But i can twist around for ya so you can kiss it if you’d like.
He can walk, it’s a miracle!
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### Author:  [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)
#### Post date: [July 9, 2011, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-real-life-handicap-parking-story/586524/358 "2011-07-09T11:02:08Z")
mcgarry: You’re an absolute moron. Where did I say anything, anything at all about someone and their sister?
Of course I did mention your bullying.
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### Author:  [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)
#### Post date: [July 9, 2011, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-real-life-handicap-parking-story/586524/359 "2011-07-09T19:55:42Z")
[Walk](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx9YrvIZUPg) [this](http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2011/03/paraplegic_man_confronts_man_i/2552/comments-3.html) [way](http://lemurking.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/head_in_ass.jpg).
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### Author:  [@pricciar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pricciar)
#### Post date: [July 9, 2011, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-real-life-handicap-parking-story/586524/360 "2011-07-09T20:13:07Z")
Now that is genuine class. In an argument with a paraplegic link to Aerosmith’s Walk This Way video.
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