# A response to Scylla that I can't make in MPSIMS **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 20, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964 "2019-08-20T21:41:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/201 "2019-08-22T12:05:02Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Feel free to keep pretending you didn’t post this anti-semitic pile of bullshit. I’m sorry. Apparently this is a big deal for you since you brought it up twice, and feel comfortable hijacking a thread to recycle some year old worms in your brain. Not to junior mod, but I think that’s against the rules. When I’m accosted in the street by lunatics shouting their random ranting, I usually ignore them and keep walking. Engaging them is always pointless. That’s the instinct I have here, with you. But let’s see: You are upset because a year ago I posted an article from Ben Shapiro, a very well known devout Orthodox Jew, who often posts on Jewish matters and is taking issue with a political organization linked to Soros, that he thinks was falsely claiming to speak on behalf of the Pittsburgh Jewish community. This seems to have been borne out as factual since the actual rabbi of the Tree of Life Synagogue contradicted the organization and expressed welcome for Trump. So… I will keep an open mind and give you one chance to explain yourself and convince me you are not just a trolling lunatic. What’s anti-Semitic about this? What relevance does it have to anything being discussed here? Why is this worth talking about a year later, and how is it somehow an indictment of me personally that I posted it? What, if anything is actually factually incorrect in the article or my summary of it? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/202 "2019-08-22T12:11:40Z")
While we’re pointing out **Scylla** ’s particular brand of wrongness and nonsense, here’s the recent one involving me, once again: after [I demonstrated](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21764100&postcount=583) that his blame of the Democrats for last year’s government shutdown is false, with a factual timeline with cites that demonstrate the falseness of his argument, he [conveniently just so happens to decide that I’m not arguing fairly](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21764337&postcount=595), and runs away from the discussion. As another poster said in response: > [@What "Conservative Values" aren't based on bigotry?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/599): > > Convenient that you stop considering posts when they effectively destroy your argument. I’m going to try that in the future. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/203 "2019-08-22T12:32:08Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > While we’re pointing out **Scylla** ’s particular brand of wrongness and nonsense, here’s the recent one involving me, once again: after [I demonstrated](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21764100&postcount=583) that his blame of the Democrats for last year’s government shutdown is false, with a factual timeline with cites that demonstrate the falseness of his argument, he [conveniently just so happens to decide that I’m not arguing fairly](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21764337&postcount=595), and runs away from the discussion. As another poster said in response: Sure, fine. You won that round. But you have to admire his take down of the lunchbox brat in Target. Credit where credit is due; it was masterful. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/204 "2019-08-22T12:37:33Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > And the fact that **Isosleepy** thought that my repeated use of “Our Hero” was meant to _compliment_ **Scylla** caused my opinion of **Isosleepy** ’s intelligence to sharply plummet. Oh no! Well, my week is ruined. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/205 "2019-08-22T12:41:35Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > While we’re pointing out **Scylla** ’s particular brand of wrongness and nonsense, here’s the recent one involving me, once again: after [I demonstrated](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21764100&postcount=583) that his blame of the Democrats for last year’s government shutdown is false, with a factual timeline with cites that demonstrate the falseness of his argument, he [conveniently just so happens to decide that I’m not arguing fairly](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21764337&postcount=595), and runs away from the discussion. As another poster said in response: I have probably spent near 1,000 lengthy posts in detailed to discussion with you. The **last** time you followed me to a new thread and brought this up, I explained to you quite politely that I was not obligated to discuss topics with you forever and ever at length, just because you wanted to. You agreed that we could move on and you wished me and my family well. It sure feels like you are trolling me. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/206 "2019-08-22T12:51:07Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > I have probably spent near 1,000 lengthy posts in detailed to discussion with you. > > The **last** time you followed me to a new thread and brought this up, I explained to you quite politely that I was not obligated to discuss topics with you forever and ever at length, just because you wanted to. > > You agreed that we could move on and you wished me and my family well. > > It sure feels like you are trolling me. Well, that wasn’t the Pit. This is indeed the Pit. I think you got all toddler-ish when I went to the effort, with a timeline and cites, of showing that you were wrong on the facts. I’ll certainly admit to being a bit peeved that you childishly gave me the brush-off right after I clearly demonstrated that you were incorrect. But it’s no big deal – just having a bit of fun. Why not try laughing at your own mistakes? I’ve probably reacted poorly before when I was demonstrated to be incorrect, as well. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/207 "2019-08-22T12:51:44Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > I will keep an open mind and give you one chance to explain yourself and convince me you are not just a trolling lunatic. You don’t make the rules you anti-semitic piece of shit. It’s your choice whether you defend the anti-semitic nonsense you post or not. Don’t put that shit on me. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/208 "2019-08-22T13:04:11Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > You don’t make the rules you anti-semitic piece of shit. > > It’s your choice whether you defend the anti-semitic nonsense you post or not. Don’t put that shit on me. Lunatic on street corner with sign. Moving on. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/209 "2019-08-22T13:16:57Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Well, that wasn’t the Pit. This is indeed the Pit. I think you got all toddler-ish when I went to the effort, with a timeline and cites, of showing that you were wrong on the facts. I’ll certainly admit to being a bit peeved that you childishly gave me the brush-off right after I clearly demonstrated that you were incorrect. > > But it’s no big deal – just having a bit of fun. Why not try laughing at your own mistakes? I’ve probably reacted poorly before when I was demonstrated to be incorrect, as well. Because it wasn’t a mistake, nor was I incorrect. Because I took you at your word when you agreed to drop it and move on. Because this is like the 2nd time you’ve done this in this thread, and then you did it before in GD, and then like two years before you hijacked a thread because you wanted to discuss something I said **SEVEN** years previously and I obliged at length for like 12 fucking pages. You want to talk things to death, and I’ve done so with you at incredible length on multiple occasions, and you seem to get offended and feel that I am obligated to continue with you, and when you don’t get your way you follow me from thread to thread, and want me to continue discussions or acknowledge points you think you made years ago. It’s getting fucking weird. Enough. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/210 "2019-08-22T13:30:46Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > It’s getting fucking weird. > > Enough. That’s what _she_ said. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/211 "2019-08-22T13:45:34Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > He’s an ass-nugget who made up 95% of that story just so he could get in the creative writing mood. Pretty much. Another Internet Tough Guy at work. > [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > It doesn’t really matter if this little morality play happened. It tells us the same thing about Scylla’s character either way. Yup. This is all I need to know about him. > [@Scylla](#): > > I don’t think you understand what I wrote. The latter is prolly my fault. I understand what you wrote and what you wrote tells me everything I need to know about you. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/212 "2019-08-22T14:03:33Z")
I was pretty much on the crucify Scylla bandwagon until he admitted that the kid had a Pokemion lunchbox in his hand. Frankly, I’m surprised at his restraint. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/213 "2019-08-22T14:11:47Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Because it wasn’t a mistake, nor was I incorrect. How do you know? You said you didn’t even read my post. I demonstrated with a series of facts that the Democrats passed a funding bill that had previously had the support of every single Republican in the Senate. And then the Republicans did absolutely nothing about it. > [@](#): > > Because I took you at your word when you agreed to drop it and move on. Because this is like the 2nd time you’ve done this in this thread, and then you did it before in GD, and then like two years before you hijacked a thread because you wanted to discuss something I said **SEVEN** years previously and I obliged at length for like 12 fucking pages. That was a great discussion, IIRC. Maybe this could be one too! Or not, as you choose. Up to you. I do have a long memory, I’ll admit. > [@](#): > > You want to talk things to death, and I’ve done so with you at incredible length on multiple occasions, and you seem to get offended and feel that I am obligated to continue with you, and when you don’t get your way you follow me from thread to thread, and want me to continue discussions or acknowledge points you think you made years ago. It’s getting fucking weird. > > Enough. No, I’m not offended. I have fun with discussions like this. Especially when folks are incredibly wrong on the facts, but refuse to accept it. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/214 "2019-08-22T14:15:27Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Because it wasn’t a mistake, nor was I incorrect. When one side changes their opinion of a law from “we totally support this” to “We refuse to even vote on this crap” in the span of a month, it is seriously fucked up to blame the side that was “we totally support this” both times. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/215 "2019-08-22T14:56:45Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Lunatic on street corner with sign. > Moving on. If I posted anti-semitic drivel, I might be tempted to change the subject too. I probably wouldn’t, because I’m not a coward, but you do you. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/216 "2019-08-22T15:06:02Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > How do you know? You said you didn’t even read my post. I demonstrated with a series of facts that the Democrats passed a funding bill that had previously had the support of every single Republican in the Senate. And then the Republicans did absolutely nothing about it. Because I didn’t care, and I don’t care, and I remember thinking “why are we on this tangent? What does it actually have to do with the topic at hand? He knows what I am going to say, and I know what his response will be so why are we involved in this? This is tedious and useless. Why don’t I just post in another thread?.” So, I did. You followed me there and demanded an answer. I asked you to stop. You promised you would. You did it again twice here. I pointed it out here… and you are still doing it. > [@](#): > > That was a great discussion, IIRC. Maybe this could be one too! Or not, as you choose. Up to you. I do have a long memory, I’ll admit. It was tedious as shit. So is this. > [@](#): > > No, I’m not offended. I have fun with discussions like this. Especially when folks are incredibly wrong on the facts, but refuse to accept it. 😉 I am a little offended. I don’t like being trolled or followed from thread to thread and asked to continue a played out 12 page discussion from a year ago. I’m disappointed and think poorly of you that you didn’t drop it and move on like you said you would. This and my previous experience will make me think twice about responding or engaging with you in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/217 "2019-08-22T15:18:06Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > If I posted anti-semitic drivel, I might be tempted to change the subject too. I probably wouldn’t, because I’m not a coward, but you do you. There’s a risk that I’ll be called a Scylla-fan for posting this, but I’ll take that risk: I’ve read what you posted three times, and I can’t see the antisemitism in it. Can you elaborate for those of us hard-of-seeing? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/218 "2019-08-22T15:36:10Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Because I didn’t care, and I don’t care So then you don’t know if you were correct or not, then. Which is good! Even if you only admit it in this oblique sort of way. Maybe that’s the first step. If so, the next would be to actually consider the facts of the circumstances we were discussing. > [@](#): > > , and I remember thinking “why are we on this tangent? What does it actually have to do with the topic at hand? He knows what I am going to say, and I know what his response will be so why are we involved in this? This is tedious and useless. Why don’t I just post in another thread?.” > > So, I did. You followed me there and demanded an answer. I asked you to stop. You promised you would. You did it again twice here. I pointed it out here… and you are still doing it. It’s not really that big a deal. I asked a few times because you never answered, and I backed off a non-Pit thread because it really was off topic. But now we’re in a Pit thread, just for you! Our grievances against you are the purpose of this thread. And it’s a lot of fun! It could even be fun for you, perhaps, if you’d just relax a bit. > [@](#): > > It was tedious as shit. So is this. I doubt you would have expended so much effort on that discussion if you didn’t find it interesting and/or enjoyable. I certainly don’t – I only participate in threads in which I’m having fun and/or learning. So far, this thread is fun! You could join in the fun, if you like. > [@](#): > > I am a little offended. I don’t like being trolled or followed from thread to thread and asked to continue a played out 12 page discussion from a year ago. I’m disappointed and think poorly of you that you didn’t drop it and move on like you said you would. > > This and my previous experience will make me think twice about responding or engaging with you in the future. You’ve already said this, over and over again. You’ve said that liberals’ words and actions have made you support Trump. I’m trying to gently demonstrate that some of your preconceived notions might be incorrect, and that you might reevaluate your beliefs if you could open up your defenses to some different sources of information. But it’s no big deal. We’re just talking here. Thanks! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/219 "2019-08-22T15:51:43Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > There’s a risk that I’ll be called a Scylla-fan for posting this, but I’ll take that risk: I’ve read what you posted three times, and I can’t see the antisemitism in it. Can you elaborate for those of us hard-of-seeing? His post contains several lies for the purpose of accusing a wealthy Jew of using his power and influence to dishonestly manipulate the media, and as an added bonus he is using a different Jew as a [human shield](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/19/opinion/trump-ilhan-omar.html) to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/220 "2019-08-22T16:30:37Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > That’s not true. I was just using some rhetorical judo. . If that was “rhetorical judo”, then you rhetorically punched yourself in the face, while simultaneously stepped on your rhetorical nuts. Congratulations. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964.md?page=12)