# A response to Scylla that I can't make in MPSIMS **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 20, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964 "2019-08-20T21:41:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/81 "2019-08-21T01:33:35Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > **Scylla** did not teach him anything about boundaries. Which is exactly why he went right back to his previous behavior. Well, I’ve confessed to not being an expert in child care, but if all it takes is one lesson and a kid will be perfectly behaved forever… that kind of still makes the mom look bad, no? > [@](#): > > But who am I to get in the way of some frothy outrage against a mother none of us known anything about, based purely on a snap judgement from a dude bragging about how scary his own sneer is? Carry on. I’m not really outraged by the mom, I’m just not a fan of the mind set that a parent has no responsibility for their child’s public behavior because being a parent is _hard, man_. > [@](#): > > Because that was in doubt? What a cunty thing to say. I just thought it was funny that you had to specify that **Scylla** telling the kid he wouldn’t buy him a lunchbox was not, in fact, the real issue here. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/82 "2019-08-21T01:39:40Z")
Well… I’m not sure if this thread makes me happier than the incident at Target did. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/83 "2019-08-21T01:44:43Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Holy smokes, **Scylla** _is still around?_ > > Thank god I never run into him. He’s been a douchebag since forever. Shit. I’ve always liked you. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/84 "2019-08-21T01:47:23Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > \*\* > But who am I to get in the way of some frothy outrage against a mother none of us known anything about, based purely on a snap judgement from a dude bragging about how scary his own sneer is? Carry on. Punchable. douchey. Not scary. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/85 "2019-08-21T01:59:18Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Well, I’ve confessed to not being an expert in child care, but if all it takes is one lesson and a kid will be perfectly behaved forever… that kind of still makes the mom look bad, no? Forget about being an expert on child care. You can’t judge the mother just on the basis of Scylla’s self-serving narrative. Of course he’s going to portray her as a bad parent. But for all any of us know, the mother has pulled out all the stops with her son, day after day, and he still hasn’t figured out how to behave in public places. That’s not unusual in the preschool cohort. > [@](#): > > I’m not really outraged by the mom, I’m just not a fan of the mind set that a parent has no responsibility for their child’s public behavior because being a parent is _hard, man_. No one is advocating irresponsibility. Maybe the mother is bad, shit I don’t know. But that doesn’t justify acting like a fuckwad to a kid that probably doesn’t know any better. > [@](#): > > I just thought it was funny that you had to specify that **Scylla** telling the kid he wouldn’t buy him a lunchbox was not, in fact, the real issue here. You reduced the whole issue to Scylla saying no despite it being more than that. So of course I’m going to point this out as a mischaracterization. If that’s funny to you, can I have whatever it is you’re smoking? Because, like I said before, I’m in the trenches of parenting right now… ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/86 "2019-08-21T02:10:36Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > If that’s funny to you, can I have whatever it is you’re smoking? Yeah, I’m kind of hoping Miller’s posting drunk or high or something, because this is scads douchier than I’ve ever seen him before. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/87 "2019-08-21T02:14:52Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Shit. I’ve always liked you. You know that’s not true. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/88 "2019-08-21T02:22:48Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Yeah, I’m kind of hoping Miller’s posting drunk or high or something, because this is scads douchier than I’ve ever seen him before. Yeah right, I cannot remember a single instance in which I was upset about **Miller** , but in this thread he’s an ass. I’m not so good with children either and have none (and am glad about it!), but this is pure assholery. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/89 "2019-08-21T02:31:18Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Forget about being an expert on child care. You can’t judge the mother just on the basis of Scylla’s self-serving narrative. Of course he’s going to portray her as a bad parent. But for all any of us know, the mother has pulled out all the stops with her son, day after day, and he still hasn’t figured out how to behave in public places. That’s not unusual in the preschool cohort. Sure, that’s definitely a possibility, and if that’s the case, she has my sympathies. Up until the point where she’s castigating other adults for telling her kid “no” when he acts up in public. > [@](#): > > No one is advocating irresponsibility. Maybe the mother is bad, shit I don’t know. But that doesn’t justify acting like a fuckwad to a kid that probably doesn’t know any better. He told the kid “no” and gave him a sharp look. That’s not being a fuckwad. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Yeah, I’m kind of hoping Miller’s posting drunk or high or something, because this is scads douchier than I’ve ever seen him before. Sober as a judge prior to this post. High as a kite from here on out, though. I’ll leave it up to you if that makes me more or less douchey. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/90 "2019-08-21T02:32:55Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > He didn’t “tell the kid no.” > > He stopped, crouched down to eye level, sneered in the kid’s face, and said, “no!” sharply. Oh NO! He sneered. Call CPS. Ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/91 "2019-08-21T02:36:36Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > No one is advocating irresponsibility. Maybe the mother is bad, shit I don’t know. But that doesn’t justify acting like a fuckwad to a kid that probably doesn’t know any better. Well… I acted the same way to my children when they threw tantrums. I ridiculed them and laughed at them theatrically. I let them know that not only did their tantrum not upset or coerce me, but that I found it humorous, while making it clear that it was never going to get them anything. Kids are actually pretty sensitive and have an aversion to being made fun of. So, when they acted in ways worthy of ridicule, I laughed at them. They seemed to catch on quick. I vowed a tantrum as an attempt at emotional coercion and I thought it a good thing to make it clear that it would not get them sympathy or positive attention or be a means to their getting their way. I didn’t believe in spanking, and I never yelled. Yelling was reserved only for actual danger or dangerous behavior. I don’t think anything in this world is more alarming than the cry of a child in actual distress. I, and I think most adults are programmed to respond to it automatically. I would never ever ridicule a child who I thought was in genuine distress. It is very easy to distinguish genuine distress from a coercive tantrum. A coercive tantrum demands a strong and disdainful negative response, which is what I gave. The woman failed to correct her child when he was attempting his tantrum on me. As I wrote in the thread she actually moved a little past me and seemed to be pointedly ignoring it. I thought that was bad parenting, and I think it I’ll-advised that she would put her child in a position where it might get corrected by a total stranger. Irresponsible. My response to her was too rude and snarky, but she too me by surprise by being polite and soft spoken in her objection. It wasn’t what I was expecting. I think I left several cues in the story to demonstrate that I did not think myself a hero, and that my behavior was not necessarily admirable or the best possible(the over the top description of my sneer, which I Then characterized as a mask, and the wondered if that was the mask or the real me, my cowardly retreat. Etc.) > [@](#): > > You reduced the whole issue to Scylla saying no despite it being more than that. So of course I’m going to point this out as a mischaracterization. If that’s funny to you, can I have whatever it is you’re smoking? Because, like I said before, I’m in the trenches of parenting right now… I remember those times fondly. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/92 "2019-08-21T02:42:10Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Summary _not_ full of lies: > > (…)Our Hero (…) Our Hero (… )Our Hero(…) Our Hero (…)Our Hero (…) > (…)Our Hero (…) Not my hero. Therefore not our hero. Ergo minimally 6 lies. How many to qualify for “full of lies”? Usually when an asshole tells a tall tale he tries to make himself look good in it, so I guess this shit arguably had novelty value. Also, holy shit, this is like the second time I’m in complete agreement with LHoD in under a decade, meaning those guys selling doomsday bunkers are on to something. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/93 "2019-08-21T02:44:31Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Holy smokes, **Scylla** _is still around?_ > > Thank god I never run into him. He’s been a douchebag since forever. I think he’s back from the land of wind and ghosts. Still a douche. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/94 "2019-08-21T02:45:41Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > You know that’s not true. No. It is. Perhaps you can dig up some quote where we conflicted in the past and we said mean things to each other, but I remember our early interactions when I first joined and your very funny threadspotting piece. I like the way you think and write. Generally, it doesn’t bother me at all when somebody I disagree with calls me a douchebag, because I consider that an intellectual shortcut “he says things I don’t like, therefore he’s an asshole.” People that engage in that generally are doing me a favor by identifying themselves as people not worth dealing with. But, I haven’t noticed you doing that. I genuinely don’t recall the source of your animus, and generally think well of you as a poster, so it does actually make me unhappy that you think poorly of me. So, whatever it was, sorry about it. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/95 "2019-08-21T02:53:57Z")
**Scylla:**. Aw. I’m an old softie. So I retract the “douchebag” comment. Peace be upon you and yours. A tear quivers in my manly eye. (Extends a fraternal hand, concealing a Joy Buzzer) ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/96 "2019-08-21T02:55:03Z")
Also, I’m standing just outside your window now. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/97 "2019-08-21T02:57:44Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Also, I’m standing just outside your window now. That was not what it looked like. I was not playing with myself while reading my pit thread. It was just an itch. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/98 "2019-08-21T02:59:10Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > **Scylla:**. Aw. I’m an old softie. So I retract the “douchebag” comment. Peace be upon you and yours. A tear quivers in my manly eye. > > (Extends a fraternal hand, concealing a Joy Buzzer) Thank you. That’s nice. I hope I don’t make you change your mind again. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/99 "2019-08-21T03:07:51Z")
Nevermind ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964/100 "2019-08-21T03:08:04Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Thank you. That’s nice. I hope I don’t make you change your mind again. I feel like the Beatles at the end of **Yellow Submarine,** asking the Blue Meanies to come and join the party. Probably a terrible idea. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-response-to-scylla-that-i-cant-make-in-mpsims/838964.md?page=6)