A Rose By Any Other Name...?

No, you’re not the only one who reads it this way, but I think you have to remember a) that Renaissance audiences were a great deal more willing to believe in love at first sight than we are; and b) while the two protagonists marry at a considerably younger age than most non-aristocratic Elizabethans would have done, the play was nevertheless written in a culture that infantilized teenagers much less than we do today.

I now feel it necessary to share the story of the Hamlet with Mel Gibson screening in my high school English class as we read the book. My teacher felt it necessary to fast-forward through a particularly graphic scene of two characters screwing one another’s brains out… which only of course resulted in them screwing even faster which caused the entire class to erupt into hysterical laughter. Ah, to be young again…

Thanks. The only character I really liked in Romeo and Juliet was the priest. In high school we had to perform a portion of the play and I chose the scene between Romeo and the Priest. I thought the Tragedy of Julius Caesar was way better but I really didn’t get why Shakespeare was so great until I read Hamlet. I’ve yet to read MacBeth… but this thread has inspired me to brush up on my Shakespeare.

That was the point.

To me, the tragedy was that Mercutio & Tybalt had to die, too.

While that meaning did exist in Shakespeare’s time, the quote is:

That indicates a place where women are not having sex – a convent. Hamlet goes on to say:

Clearly he is telling Ophelia not to have children, so the nunnery = brothel makes no sense in context. (Though bill may have chosen the word for its double meaning.)

More risque is the exchange:

If you missed it (spoiler to keep it PG):

“country matters” = cunt-try matters

But, as the poet said:

course jocosity
captures the crowd
shakespeare and i
are often low browed

Yes, I knew it was a tragedy, though I guess that’s not really what I said when I posted! In school, the first three plays I read were Hamlet, Macbeth and Othello. While I’ve read others since, I guess I tend to lump those three together as the “tragedies” (that was the name of the course, too!) and then there’s “all the others”!

Now that I think about it more, I think I dislike R&J because it’s become somewhat of a cliché. On its own, it’s a very good story, but I think I’ve just seen so many movie and book and theatre “adaptations” or “inspired by”'s that I’m sick of the plotline. I think I felt it was predictable when I first read it because I’d already seen the story in other forms.

Yes. Which is why Mercutio gets one of the best lines, “A box on both your houses”.

I guess that means he wants both of them to move out of Verona? I never did quite get that line.
I kid, I kid…

R & J does verge on having an Idiot Plot. As do several of Shakes’s other plays.

Mercutio I’ll give you, but Tybalt? He totally deserved to die.

I think you may have been influence by the many screen adaptations that depict Tybalt as just an insufferable prig. While he didn’t have Mercutio’s rough-hewn charm, he was still a victim a brainless teen-age hormones.

That’s all R&J was, the story of brain-less teenage hormones run amok. Hell, they met because of stupid testosterone inspired prank.

And does anyone remember Romeo’s previous girl-friend? “Well-born” young men still do not just dump women for whom they have demonstrated a publicly recognized partiality; but R just dumped that poor girl, and damaged her reputation [the only thing of value a woman could ‘own’] just for a newer model.

Juliet? Sweet, passionate, and less intelligent than my cat. Or my dog. Or, hell, my patio.

Some one needed to take those kids aside, and talk to them about hormones, lust, true loves, and economic and political stability. That damned fool priest should have tried to arrange a political marriage between the houses.

But then we would not have had such poetry to grace our cynical lives.