# A scummy child-molesting Republican. What a shock. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 9, 2016, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-scummy-child-molesting-republican-what-a-shock/751738 "2016-04-09T23:43:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-scummy-child-molesting-republican-what-a-shock/751738/141 "2016-04-15T10:53:01Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I’d bet that many, if not most Catholics don’t have as nuanced a view. A view which is utterly nonsensical, by the way. There is no actual difference between the substance or the accidents, as you call them. Many Cathoics I’ve met certainly think it’s more than artificial Jesus flavoring and coloring. You’d lose. Most Catholics are aware that the Church teaches that the bread and wine really become the Body and Blood of Christ. But equally, every Catholic is well aware that what they chew and swallow tastes and feels and smells and looks in every sensory respect like bread and wine. So what do they think is going on, according to you? > [@](#): > > I don’t think you’re precisely faking it. I think you’re vapidly convincing yourself that something profound is happening. Like a teen who thinks he’s experiencing true love upon getting a peck on the cheek. There is no there there. Just a guy reading profundity into banality. Some confused people, in a church, eating crackers. Nothing more. That’s fine: _but then it’s not "attempted cannibalism._" ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-scummy-child-molesting-republican-what-a-shock/751738/142 "2016-04-15T11:01:46Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You’d lose. > > Most Catholics are aware that the Church teaches that the bread and wine really become the Body and Blood of Christ. But equally, every Catholic is well aware that what they chew and swallow tastes and feels and smells and looks in every sensory respect like bread and wine. > > So what do they think is going on, according to you? It’s like the trinity, utter nonsense that they think is profound. It’s Jesus’ blood and meats, but it just tastes like bread and grape drank. > [@](#): > > That’s fine: _but then it’s not "attempted cannibalism._" As I said, I’m not arguing that it is. Just saying that your position doesn’t disprove it. If anything, if the creator of the universe tells you to do something, I’d say that whatever stigma it has is reduced. So even if it were attempted cannibalism, grading on a curve, based on the people’s beliefs, I don’t find it objectionable. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-scummy-child-molesting-republican-what-a-shock/751738/143 "2016-04-15T13:03:35Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Notice, Friends, he still hasn’t denied having a taste for human flesh. Also notice he’s never defended cannibalism whereas you routinely and knee-jerkedly defend pretty much any transgression by anybody with an R after their name or who is a Catholic. So what was your stupid point again? I mean I’m betting he must have stopped beating his wife by now. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-scummy-child-molesting-republican-what-a-shock/751738/144 "2016-04-15T15:37:36Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Also notice he’s never defended cannibalism whereas you routinely and knee-jerkedly defend pretty much any transgression by anybody with an R after their name or who is a Catholic. So what was your stupid point again? I mean I’m betting he must have stopped beating his wife by now. His point was to deflect this thread away from the fact that Hastert is a human piece of shit, who got votes for his “family values” party, attacked anyone else whose morals he deemed not worthy, while covering up the fact he liked sucking off teenage boys. Hastert is now facing sentencing, and his[clear lying to investigators](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dennis-hastert-sentencing-lies_us_570ec219e4b03d8b7b9f6775) is not going to go in his favor. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-scummy-child-molesting-republican-what-a-shock/751738/145 "2016-04-15T17:27:46Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Also notice he’s never defended cannibalism whereas you routinely and knee-jerkedly defend pretty much any transgression by anybody with an R after their name… Except you need to show that he also does NOT routinely defend anyone with a D after their name. Is it a bias towards a particular political party or a bias towards “innocent until proven guilty”. **Bricker** may have his faults, but I don’t see him treating Ds any different from Rs when it comes to public scandals like this. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-scummy-child-molesting-republican-what-a-shock/751738/146 "2016-04-15T17:50:25Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > **Bricker** may have his faults… I may have said something similar once. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-scummy-child-molesting-republican-what-a-shock/751738/147 "2016-04-15T19:11:30Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Interesting trivia piece – George Hearn does indeed sing the role on the original cast album… but he wasn’t the original Sweeny Todd. Len Cariou, who TV audiences know as the retired police commissioner on “Blue Bloods,” played Todd for a year opposite Lansbury before Hearn came in. He also originated the role of Frederik (the young son who ends up with Anne) in “A Little Night Music.” [MASSIVE HIJACK] It’s Len Cariou on the OCR. And Victor Garber as Anthony Hope! [/MASSIVE HIJACK] ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-scummy-child-molesting-republican-what-a-shock/751738/148 "2016-04-15T19:16:25Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > [MASSIVE HIJACK] > > It’s Len Cariou on the OCR. And Victor Garber as Anthony Hope! > > [/MASSIVE HIJACK] Holy crap. You’re right. I’m so embarrassed. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-scummy-child-molesting-republican-what-a-shock/751738/149 "2016-04-15T19:48:13Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Except you need to show that he also does NOT routinely defend anyone with a D after their name. No I don’t. My point stands regardless of who else he defends. His modus operandi here is every time someone calls out a Republican or a Catholic for doing something shitty, he pops into say, “Oh yeah, what about this liberal guy who kinda sorta did something related to a similar thing that’s a bit like what that other guy did, huh, huh, huh?” And the next thing you know we’re debating which has bigger testicles, the Mongolian Fruit Bat or the Madagascar Hissing Lemur or something equally esoteric and utterly unrelated to whatever the hell that Republican or Catholic did in the first place. Besides, “you haven’t denied something ridiculous I’m accusing of,” is a pathetic argument. You may have noticed my subtle reference to the ol’ “when did you stop beating your wife,” chestnut. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-scummy-child-molesting-republican-what-a-shock/751738/150 "2016-04-16T17:52:49Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > No I don’t. My point stands regardless of who else he defends. His modus operandi here is every time someone calls out a Republican or a Catholic for doing something shitty, he pops into say, “Oh yeah, what about this liberal guy who kinda sorta did something related to a similar thing that’s a bit like what that other guy did, huh, huh, huh?” Eh. I’ll let **Bricker** defend himself or not, but just note that that is a different argument than the one you originally made. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-scummy-child-molesting-republican-what-a-shock/751738/151 "2016-04-16T18:56:57Z")
In other news that is actually relevant to the OP, it looks like we will be getting to see who supports the child-fellating piece of human shit that is Mr. Hastert. [Judge tells defense that Hastert support letters should be made public.](http://www.wspynews.com/news/local/judge-tells-defense-that-hastert-support-letters-should-be-made/article_f22ebd70-03d9-11e6-8e25-f3faba0b63e3.html) Good. Now we will see who supports a man who secretly enjoys sucking underage teenage boy dicks, while telling everyone else what a moral, family man he is, and judging those he deems unworthy of his high morals. Perhaps if any of these Hastert shit supporting people has any blowback, they can simply accuse their critics of being cannibals. That seems to be the only go-to strategy. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-scummy-child-molesting-republican-what-a-shock/751738/152 "2016-04-16T19:23:34Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > No I don’t. My point stands regardless of who else he defends. His modus operandi here is every time someone calls out a Republican or a Catholic for doing something shitty, he pops into say, “Oh yeah, what about this liberal guy who kinda sorta did something related to a similar thing that’s a bit like what that other guy did, huh, huh, huh?” > > And the next thing you know we’re debating which has bigger testicles, the Mongolian Fruit Bat or the Madagascar Hissing Lemur or something equally esoteric and utterly unrelated to whatever the hell that Republican or Catholic did in the first place. > > Besides, “you haven’t denied something ridiculous I’m accusing of,” is a pathetic argument. You may have noticed my subtle reference to the ol’ “when did you stop beating your wife,” chestnut. So if I routinely pick the defense, it’s bad when I defend the Catholic or the Republican and unremarkable otherwise? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-scummy-child-molesting-republican-what-a-shock/751738/153 "2016-04-16T21:25:04Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > And the next thing you know we’re debating which has bigger testicles, the Mongolian Fruit Bat or the Madagascar Hissing Lemur or something equally esoteric and utterly unrelated to whatever the hell that Republican or Catholic did in the first place. Indeed, you’re correct. Or even trying to pick an argument about how the argument is going. (Not you, **Jack Batty** - rather I’m looking at the usual suspects) But by all means, lets try to forget that Hastert abused the boys he was teaching, and then went on to pretend to be a “family values” Republican, while paying off his victims. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-scummy-child-molesting-republican-what-a-shock/751738/154 "2016-04-16T21:57:41Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So if I routinely pick the defense, it’s bad when I defend the Catholic or the Republican and unremarkable otherwise? Actually, it’s the fruit bat with the slightly larger testes due to its vitamin C intake. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-scummy-child-molesting-republican-what-a-shock/751738/155 "2016-04-16T22:36:45Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So if I routinely pick the defense, it’s bad when I defend the Catholic or the Republican and unremarkable otherwise? That’s the problem (well, one of them) - you choose a side to argue based on who you think you’re defending, not explore the subject on the evidence and reasoning. You are presenting mere advocacy as analysis, and you typically have to resort to mere pettifoggery and bullshit to do so when you choose, as you always do, to defend organizations to which your loyalty is absolute. The rest of us are engaged in \*fighting \*ignorance, and that includes your own. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-scummy-child-molesting-republican-what-a-shock/751738/156 "2016-04-18T13:51:22Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > It’s almost like you can’t respond to the actual words written in the post, so you have to resort to a cheap-ass mindreading shtick and respond to what you _imagine_ the post actually means. So Dennis Hastert did two things. Molested boys and paid those boys to keep quiet about it. So the post starts with: \*\*another family values Republican]/b] So what is THAT supposed to mean if not “hey look at the hypocrite that spouts family values but sucks off little boys” So in what way is sucking off little boys any more anti-family values than rape or murder? The title also says \*\* A scummy child-molesting Republican. What a shock. [/quote] What is THAT supposed to mean if not “Republicans molest children more frequently than others so we are actually not at all shocked that a Republican has been found molesting children” So in what way are Republicans any more likely to molest children than anyone else? What do YOU think the post was supposed to mean? So I can agree that Dennis Hastert is a scumbag but the notion that this says something about Republicans generally? I don’t see how you get there. Is the Op actually referring to the payoff somehow? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-scummy-child-molesting-republican-what-a-shock/751738/157 "2016-04-18T13:52:36Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > I’m guessing you probably intended to point out that people shouldn’t be pointing at Hastert’s crime and saying “see, he’s a hypocrite because \*he’s a REPUBLICAN \*who committed child molestation.” > If so, fair enough. But I don’t think that’s what most folks are suggesting here. Then why the reference to family values? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-scummy-child-molesting-republican-what-a-shock/751738/158 "2016-04-18T16:05:36Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Then why the reference to family values? Why can’t you point out all the high-ranking Democrats doing the same thing, if you think that Republicans are being unfairly typecast in this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-scummy-child-molesting-republican-what-a-shock/751738/159 "2016-04-19T02:00:53Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Then why the reference to family values? . . . . . . . . Because _that’s_ what wakes him a hypocrite! Hastert is a hypocrite _because he is a “family values” politician_ who has been exposed as a child-molestor. He’s not a hypocrite _because he’s a Republican_. I don’t think anyone here has suggested that, and if anyone has, they’re a twit. What the OP and other posters _have_ suggested is an apparently strong pattern of hypocrisy among self-proclaimed family-values Republican politicians. Refute it if you believe it to be untrue. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2016, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-scummy-child-molesting-republican-what-a-shock/751738/160 "2016-04-24T03:12:27Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > In other news that is actually relevant to the OP, it looks like we will be getting to see who supports the child-fellating piece of human shit that is Mr. Hastert. > > [Judge tells defense that Hastert support letters should be made public.](http://www.wspynews.com/news/local/judge-tells-defense-that-hastert-support-letters-should-be-made/article_f22ebd70-03d9-11e6-8e25-f3faba0b63e3.html) > > Good. > > Now we will see who supports a man who secretly enjoys sucking underage teenage boy dicks, while telling everyone else what a moral, family man he is, and judging those he deems unworthy of his high morals. > > Perhaps if any of these Hastert shit supporting people has any blowback, they can simply accuse their critics of being cannibals. That seems to be the only go-to strategy. Guess what? Scummy Family Values Republican Tom DeLay supports Dennis Hastert. [http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/dennis-hastert-tom-delay-letters-court-sentencing-222344](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/dennis-hastert-tom-delay-letters-court-sentencing-222344) > [@](#): > > The one-page note also outlines examples of activities intended to defend the former speaker’s character, such as starting a lunch-time Bible study for colleagues. > > “We held each other accountable and we studied God’s word and applied it to where we were at that moment," wrote DeLay, who is a longtime advocate for foster children and adoption. “Nothing could have been more intimate between us. So I know his heart and have seen it up close and personal.” > > “We all have our flaws, but Dennis Hastert has very few. He is a good man that loves the lord. He gets his integrity and values from Him. He doesn’t deserve what he is going through. I ask that you consider the man that is before you and give him leniency where you can,” it concludes. Yeah. Poor, poor, Dennis Hastert is the real victim here. Republican and Man of God, Dennis Hastert doesn’t deserve to be persecuted just because he molested some boys. Hastert was just practicing the Lord’s Values. Because of his integrity. Which Tom DeLay has totally seen. Intimately. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-scummy-child-molesting-republican-what-a-shock/751738.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-scummy-child-molesting-republican-what-a-shock/751738.md?page=9)