# A second "9/11" happens, this time under Trump's watch **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [March 14, 2018, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-second-9-11-happens-this-time-under-trumps-watch/810529 "2018-03-14T03:31:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-second-9-11-happens-this-time-under-trumps-watch/810529/41 "2018-03-15T17:01:23Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > Why would anyone attack the US now, when they can just stand outside and watch it burn? > > Attacking the US now would be as pointless as telling a guy that his wallet got stolen while he’s being eaten by a shark. Yeah, that’s an inconvenience, but there are bigger issues. trump may very well through gas on the fire in an effort to get people to like him. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-second-9-11-happens-this-time-under-trumps-watch/810529/42 "2018-03-15T17:03:22Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Perhaps I should have snipped the quote. I think it would’ve made clearer which part I thought was demonstrative of naked partisanship. I don’t particularly mind the criticism of Trump. I thought “He could preside over 4 years of peace and prosperity and appoint me to the Supreme Court, and I would still want him run out of town on a rail.” That seems over the top. YMMV. It’s not partisanship. I’d cheer a normal Republican (if there are any left) who got stuff done with competence and a little dignity. It’s Trump that disgusts me. The post you’re quoting was all about Trump, not a generic Republican. No matter what good might theoretically come during his time in office will not erase what a vile human he is, nor assuage the stain on our country caused by those who voted and enabled him. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-second-9-11-happens-this-time-under-trumps-watch/810529/43 "2018-03-15T17:12:35Z")
If a second 9-11 happened I would promptly blame the administration. Murder thousands of our citizens on our soil once, shame on you. Murder thousands of our citizens on our soil twice, shame on us - by which I mean, shame on the administration. And that’s without even getting into the extremely probable case of Trump inciting this attack in some manner. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-second-9-11-happens-this-time-under-trumps-watch/810529/44 "2018-03-15T19:18:01Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > Why would anyone attack the US now, when they can just stand outside and watch it burn? … In what way(s) do you think the US is “burning” now? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-second-9-11-happens-this-time-under-trumps-watch/810529/45 "2018-03-15T19:19:50Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > It’s not partisanship. … > [@Procrustus](#): > > … nor assuage the stain on our country caused by those who voted and enabled him. I don’t think you thought this post all the way through to the end. “It’s not partisanship” … but you’re a stain on our country. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-second-9-11-happens-this-time-under-trumps-watch/810529/46 "2018-03-15T19:22:33Z")
No way would the country rally around Trump in the wake of such an event (IMHO) because Trump himself would be the biggest derisive factor. When 9/11 happened under Bush it was one of his (few) better moments…he actually was able to rally the public while not starting a witch hunt for American Muslims. That he then took the good he’d done off the rails on a tangent to Iraq is beside the point. Trump would never even get things on the rails in the first place…hell, he’d probably be asking Alex Jones what the real scoop is and accusing his own government of being behind it all. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-second-9-11-happens-this-time-under-trumps-watch/810529/47 "2018-03-15T19:25:35Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > My speculation is that Trump would be Trump. The initial instinct for all Americans would be to support the government, including the President. But I speculate that Trump would turn around and try to take partisan and personal advantage in the aftermath (“Aren’t you glad Hillary isn’t President now?”) and would alienate a lot of people, including a lot of conservatives. I largely agree with this. No matter what happens and how bad it is, Trump will somehow pull a Dick Move and make it worse. He’s the kind of guy who would take a baby chick on Easter and feed it to the cat, then kick the cat. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-second-9-11-happens-this-time-under-trumps-watch/810529/48 "2018-03-15T19:53:53Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t think you thought this post all the way through to the end. “It’s not partisanship” … but you’re a stain on our country. > > :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: It’s not because he’s (barely) a Republican. He’s a stain for non-political reasons. This is not a political disagreement. (The man hardly has any political ideology or goals.). He’s a digesting human. He was when he was a Democrat, and he is now, as a right wing pretender. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-second-9-11-happens-this-time-under-trumps-watch/810529/49 "2018-03-15T19:54:05Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > Why would anyone attack the US now, when they can just stand outside and watch it burn? > > Attacking the US now would be as pointless as telling a guy that his wallet got stolen while he’s being eaten by a shark. Yeah, that’s an inconvenience, but there are bigger issues. You seem to have different definitions of “burn” and “eaten by shark” than most people. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-second-9-11-happens-this-time-under-trumps-watch/810529/50 "2018-03-15T20:03:51Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > It’s not because he’s (barely) a Republican. He’s a stain for non-political reasons. This is not a political disagreement. (The man hardly has any political ideology or goals.). He’s a digesting human. He was when he was a Democrat, and he is now, as a right wing pretender. I said a while ago (to many hearty laughs here on the SDMB) that one of my bigger concerns about Donald Trump was that he’d revert to his NYC liberal roots after winning the Presidency. I agree that he does not have deep-seated political ideology. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-second-9-11-happens-this-time-under-trumps-watch/810529/51 "2018-03-15T20:10:37Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I said a while ago (to many hearty laughs here on the SDMB) that one of my bigger concerns about Donald Trump was that he’d revert to his NYC liberal roots after winning the Presidency. I agree that he does not have deep-seated political ideology. But it doesn’t matter to you. He could shoot someone on 5th Avenue in broad daylight and you’s still be fine with him because you’re getting what you want. Right? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-second-9-11-happens-this-time-under-trumps-watch/810529/52 "2018-03-15T20:17:22Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > … He could shoot someone on 5th Avenue in broad daylight and you’s still be fine with him because you’re getting what you want. Right? No, you’re wrong about this. I would not be “fine with him” if he shot someone on 5th Avenue. For that matter, I’m not really “fine with” everything he does now, but my lack of rabid hatred for the man makes me something of an outlier here. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-second-9-11-happens-this-time-under-trumps-watch/810529/53 "2018-03-15T20:32:46Z")
The man possesses not a single redeemable quality. Not one. He is morally and intellectually bereft. Anything that he may do that is “right” in your eyes, must surely be based on the same principle of chance that even a broken clock is right twice a day. Do you disagree? You were offended by an insult accusing you of having no soul. Yet you often choose to rationalize your defense a man who, if such a thing existed, clearly would be soulless. This, among other things, is why I find myself questioning your integrity and the intellectual integrity you bring to your arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-second-9-11-happens-this-time-under-trumps-watch/810529/54 "2018-03-15T21:44:08Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > In what way(s) do you think the US is “burning” now? [ol] [li]We are pissing off our allies (Germany, U.K., Mexico, Canada) and bolstering our enemies (China, Russia, Best Korea).[/li][li]We are cutting taxes and increasing deficit spending during a time of economic recovery, laying the groundwork for a recession/depression.[/li][li]We are increasing military spending needlessly (although, if we keep pissing off the nations of the world, it may not be “needless”).[/li][li]Our president is emboldening open racism and enabling racial violence.[/li][li]Our president’s immigration policies are short-sightedly detaining and deporting people who contribute to the nation (recent example, reproductive justice activist Alejandra Pablos, who was arrested while traveling from VA to AZ to check in with ICE; she will be held without a bail hearing until her December court date).[/li][li]Our president refuses to sanction or even speak out against Russia despite its meddling in our election system ($120 million allocated to the State Department in late 2016 to combat foreign election interference, yet they haven’t spent a single dollar).[/li][li]The CFPB, the bureau that is supposed to protect consumers from predatory lenders and such, is being destroyed from within by the appointment of a director who openly wants to dissasemble the agency. Trump appointee.[/li][li]We have an EPA chief who openly denies climate change. Trump appointee.[/li][/ol] If you need more, I’ll get more, there’s plenty. The only saving grace here seems to be that Russia likely won’t destroy the US any time soon, since they paid so much for it. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-second-9-11-happens-this-time-under-trumps-watch/810529/55 "2018-03-15T21:50:14Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > … If you need more, I’ll get more, there’s plenty. … No no no, that won’t be necessary. Presumably, you led with your best material, and if that’s it, I’m inclined to agree with **Velocity** : > [@Velocity](#): > > You seem to have different definitions of “burn” and “eaten by shark” than most people. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-second-9-11-happens-this-time-under-trumps-watch/810529/56 "2018-03-15T21:51:30Z")
Well, the country isn’t going to _literally_ burn. I mean, I hope it won’t. Climate change is a lie, right? ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-second-9-11-happens-this-time-under-trumps-watch/810529/57 "2018-03-16T13:51:09Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > No no no, that won’t be necessary. Presumably, you led with your best material, and if that’s it, I’m inclined to agree with **Velocity** : Okay, so you don’t give a shit about racial violence, consumer protection, fiscal responsibility, pollution, or international relations. What do you care about, exactly? On “burning”: the situation put me in mind of this: > [@from the movie The Dark Knight](#): > > Bruce Wayne: Criminals aren’t complicated, Alfred. Just have to figure out what he’s after. > > Alfred Pennyworth: With respect Master Wayne, perhaps this is a man that _you_ don’t fully understand, either. A long time ago, I was in Burma. My friends and I were working for the local government. They were trying to buy the loyalty of tribal leaders by bribing them with precious stones. But their caravans were being raided in a forest north of Rangoon by a bandit. So, we went looking for the stones. But in six months, we never met anybody who traded with him. One day, I saw a child playing with a ruby the size of a tangerine. The bandit had been throwing them away. > > Bruce Wayne: So why steal them? > > Alfred Pennyworth: Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren’t looking for anything logical, like money. They can’t be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn. So you don’t like the metaphor, fine, whatevs. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-second-9-11-happens-this-time-under-trumps-watch/810529/58 "2018-03-16T17:47:36Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > Okay, so you don’t give a shit about racial violence, consumer protection, fiscal responsibility, pollution, or international relations. What do you care about, exactly?.. There was a protest at Berkeley a while back that slightly inconvenienced some white people, that seems to have upset him greatly. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-second-9-11-happens-this-time-under-trumps-watch/810529/59 "2018-03-16T18:09:47Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > [ol] > [li]We are pissing off our allies (Germany, U.K., Mexico, Canada) and bolstering our enemies (China, Russia, Best Korea).[/li][li]We are cutting taxes and increasing deficit spending during a time of economic recovery, laying the groundwork for a recession/depression.[/li][li]We are increasing military spending needlessly (although, if we keep pissing off the nations of the world, it may not be “needless”).[/li][li]Our president is emboldening open racism and enabling racial violence.[/li][li]Our president’s immigration policies are short-sightedly detaining and deporting people who contribute to the nation (recent example, reproductive justice activist Alejandra Pablos, who was arrested while traveling from VA to AZ to check in with ICE; she will be held without a bail hearing until her December court date).[/li][li]Our president refuses to sanction or even speak out against Russia despite its meddling in our election system ($120 million allocated to the State Department in late 2016 to combat foreign election interference, yet they haven’t spent a single dollar).[/li][li]The CFPB, the bureau that is supposed to protect consumers from predatory lenders and such, is being destroyed from within by the appointment of a director who openly wants to dissasemble the agency. Trump appointee.[/li][li]We have an EPA chief who openly denies climate change. Trump appointee.[/li][/ol] > > If you need more, I’ll get more, there’s plenty. The only saving grace here seems to be that Russia likely won’t destroy the US any time soon, since they paid so much for it. But but but… Gorsuch! ---
**Author:** ![rbroome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@rbroome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rbroome)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-second-9-11-happens-this-time-under-trumps-watch/810529/60 "2018-03-18T00:07:00Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > Why would anyone attack the US now, when they can just stand outside and watch it burn? > > Attacking the US now would be as pointless as telling a guy that his wallet got stolen while he’s being eaten by a shark. Yeah, that’s an inconvenience, but there are bigger issues. Good point. Trumps a genius! He knows how to protect us all. Uhhhh. Oh well. It reminds me, nostalgically, of the early Nixon era. We all figured protection was why Nixon chose Agnew as VP. We knew there wouldn’t be another Presidential assassination. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-second-9-11-happens-this-time-under-trumps-watch/810529.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-second-9-11-happens-this-time-under-trumps-watch/810529.md?page=4)