# A serious question for Sam Stone on Factual Errors **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881 "2021-12-11T12:32:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 102
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2021 "2024-02-19T23:05:19Z")
Exhibit 452A, > [@Why do people say the World economic forum is pushing socialist views?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-say-the-world-economic-forum-is-pushing-socialist-views/997610/100): > > Okay, this is now just another version of the pit thread, and a complete hijack. I’ll respond in the pit thread, but not here. In fact, I’m taking myself out of this thread and will not respond in it at all, to prevent future hijacks. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2022 "2024-02-19T23:06:05Z")
FFS. This thread is about all of your “factual errors” or as some see them, lies. Go back to the beginning if you need to and read the thread again. There are a plethora of examples pointed out by other posters over several years. The fact you choose to ignore them doesn’t mean they aren’t true. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2023 "2024-02-19T23:09:22Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I have read Instapundit from time to time, just to see what breaking news on the right looks like. I’ve never read the other ones, unless I followed a link to one and the article was interesting. But I don’t browse right-wing sites. I spend most of my online time reading science papers, mostly on astronomy and astrophysics, , AI stuff, and hanging on the Straight Dope. My twitter feed is all science, no politics, to the extent that I can filter it. But of course lots filters through, and some of it is right wing glurge (and some is left-wing glurge). And yet, somehow, you’re on top of every right-wing talking point? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2024 "2024-02-19T23:10:16Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Exhibit 452A, And Exhibit 452B from this very thread: > Demand a cite in GD, and I will always comply. Alternate between calling me names and demanding cites in the pit, and I’ll decide whether I feel like it on any given day. Don’t like it? Don’t engage with me in the pit. Alternatively, demand a cite, and he’ll run away from the thread and head to the pit. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2025 "2024-02-19T23:19:25Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Alternatively, demand a cite, and he’ll run away from the thread and head to the pit. The order of events: 1. Sam says in P&E, paraphrased, “They do crazy shit at the WEF. For example, here’s some crazy shit they do.” 2. I ask him for a cite here in The Pit. 3. He refuses, but says he’ll give a cite in GD. 4. I ask him over in P&E for a cite. 5. He says–and this is fucking amazing–that it was an _example_ of what they do, not a _thing they actually did_. Then he scolds me for asking for a cite. 6. When pressed on it, he gets annoyed and leaves the thread. I’ve reported that post, because it’s _yet another example_ of how he corruptly engages in conversation. And when I say it’s an example, I don’t mean I made it up and it didn’t happen. It’s actually a thing that happened. Cites available on request. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2026 "2024-02-19T23:28:15Z")
1. He’ll no longer discuss it because it’s a highjack of the thread . . . a highjack Sam started. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2027 "2024-02-19T23:33:20Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Oh, so do you visit left-wing conspiracy sites? Don’t bother answering, because people who visit them don’t know they are conspiracy sites. > > Some of us are smart enough to tell the difference. YMMV. Strangely, only one of us was talking about the WEF wanting to embed RFID chips in COVID vaccinations to imprint everyone with the mark of the beast enact techno-authoritarianism. I’ll leave it to the reader to decide which of us is more likely to be swallowing conspiracies. Or sorry, explaining why rational people would believe in conspiracies. That you don’t believe in. Or even read about. Or god forbid bookmark the pages of. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2028 "2024-02-19T23:39:39Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > He says–and this is fucking amazing–that it was an _example_ of what they do, not a _thing they actually did_. Then he scolds me for asking for a cite. I think it was also a bit of “I never said that this is what they said (despite actually quoting Klaus Schwab directly), it’s what the crazy right wing believe that they said.” Which is bullshit, because we can all go back and read the post for ourselves and see what he wrote and who he quoted (incorrectly). Then he tried to make up some bullshit about maybe hearing something something someone from WEF said in a video that is no longer there as it was taken down. Nobody bit on that one. The thing is, I think he actually believes these bullshit rationalizations, and really does think he’s being picked on. He just makes shit up after the fact to defend his mistakes. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2029 "2024-02-19T23:47:17Z")
He likes to plant one of his made up facts in the middle of something factual in the hopes that no-one will call for a cite. I would not hang around a place where I felt that I was as mistreated as he thinks he is. I mean, ick. No self esteem at all. Or he’s just a troll. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2030 "2024-02-19T23:50:00Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > If it seems to you that **nobody** in the group you’re talking to understands you, on the other hand, the problem is most likely you. > > And making up self-flattering explanations about ideological partisanship and the “hive mind” preventing the group from accurately perceiving reality is not doing anything to solve that problem. The best thing to do is stop digging, drop the shovel, and never pick it up again. If you have to, get somebody you trust to warn when you’re reaching for the shovel again ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2031 "2024-02-19T23:55:26Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Which is bullshit, because we can all go back and read the post for ourselves and see what he wrote and who he quoted (incorrectly). Then he tried to make up some bullshit about maybe hearing something something someone from WEF said in a video that is no longer there as it was taken down. Nobody bit on that one. The real problem was some of us (me at least) were already familiar with that ‘’‘’‘quote’‘’‘’ and knew that what Sam was saying was bullshit from the first mention of it. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2032 "2024-02-20T01:17:33Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > He refuses, but says he’ll give a cite in GD. This is, on reflection, the very best part: he refused to give a cite in the pit but said he’d give a cite in GD. It’s my favorite part because _he surely knew_ that he wasn’t planning to give a cite in GD, because he had no cite to give. I don’t know whether he was hoping I wouldn’t call his bluff, or whether he was hoping I’d dance like a monkey for him. Either way, it’s the best. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2033 "2024-02-20T02:05:07Z")
Actually I went down quite a rabbit hole to find that cite. I looked for the deleted video and didn’t find it, so I didn’t know if Klaus said it in there or not. But when the video was summarized earlier in the thread and the speaker identified as not being Schwab, I admitted that maybe I misremembered who it was. I also think this was about the most trivial part of my post, and you all zeroed in on it to the extent that you completely lost the point I was making, _which was in support of your belief that the right was playing fast and loose with the facts_. Then people started accusing me of buying into the far right conspiracy after I had already said they were nuts and why, which is a much bigger mistake than misremembering who made a comment years ago. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2034 "2024-02-20T02:09:22Z")
Speaking of > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > playing fast and loose with the facts Maybe you misremembered who it was? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2035 "2024-02-20T02:23:39Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I also think this was about the most trivial part of my post, and you all zeroed in on it to the extent that you completely lost the point I was making, _which was in support of your belief that the right was playing fast and loose with the facts_. Here’s the post where you “misremembered” what Klaus Shwab said. I wonder if you can point out anywhere in this post where you were "_in support of your belief that the right was playing fast and loose with the facts"_. All your post seems to be is a screed about the various ways about how horrible the WEF is, and how they have stupid people talk at their conferences about crazy shit. With the bullshit false quote stuck in there. Nothing, NOTHING about “the right playing fast and loose with the facts.” Nothing like that at all. > No, but they are okay with the state controlling the movements of people, their buying choices, what they can drive, what drugs they must take, what they can read or watch, what they can eat… > > Call it techno-authoritarianism. Or Chinese Style state capitalism. That’s what the WEF wants. The smart people of the world running the lives of everyone else for their own good. > > Possibly the ‘socialist’ worry comes from Klaus Schwab himself (founder of the WEF), who is quoted as saying “In the future you will have no privacy, and no property. And you will like it!” > > More fascist is their push for ‘stakeholder capitalism’ and ‘ESG’ - both of which are now failing badly because they were always a bad idea. > > There’s also an element of transhumanism in the WEF. They talk about life extension, the wonders of implantable chips in the body, yada yada. I have no problem with explorations into these areas, but they cross the line by talking about implementing this stuff globally. > > One of the weird things about the WEF that hurts them is that it’s a strange amalgam of a UN-style government planning activities combined with TED-style talks by anyone willing to pony up the money to speak. So a serious conference on climate legislation is followed by a wild talk about embedding chips in people to track their Co2 or something, and people put them together as one proposal and it makes the serious stuff sound crazy too. > > But there’s plenty of crazy even from the ‘serious’ people. > > I take heart in the WEFs trajectory. Their themes in the past years were “The Great Reset”, followed by “Build Back Better”, followed by “The Great Narrative” (convincing people we need to reset and build back better), and to this year’s “Rebuilding Trust” (We tried to get them to do what we want and they hate us. Manipulating the narrative didn’t work. Now what?") > > If you thought the WEF was meaningless and has no power, go look at how many world leaders repeated the “Build back Better” slogan while selling the public on whatever spending programs they wanted… ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2036 "2024-02-20T02:28:10Z")
What’s sad is he ruined the WEF thread. The thread quickly became the debunk Sam’s lies thread. Again. Every political thread he enters is the same. He really should get a sub-forum ban on P&E. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2037 "2024-02-20T02:36:53Z")
I guess Sam finding that what he said there was bullshit, should lead him to realize that the WEF is **less** fascist. 🙂 Nah, he is likely to repeat later that the WEF is more fascist because of “reasons”, regardless if he knows that the right wing fake talking points did go through his “well maintained science feeds”. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2038 "2024-02-20T02:39:54Z")
Of course he will, we just hit step 6. Next is to loop back to Step 4 where Sam repeats the same “mistakes”. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2039 "2024-02-20T02:44:13Z")
I think he actually thinks he said in that post something that " was in support of your belief that the right was playing fast and loose with the facts" . Possibly he was thinking that. We’ll never know, because that’s not what he wrote. Perhaps he forgot that he only came up with this excuse AFTER his mistake was pointed out to him. Perhaps he misremembered what he wrote himself. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2040 "2024-02-20T02:46:07Z")
That’s what he always does. He comes up with excuses after the fact. Remember when he overreacted to an anti-Musk article from The Onion. He comically claimed that his sudden essay that was on the same subject as article was _totally_ just a coincidence. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881.md?page=101) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881.md?page=103)