# A serious question for Sam Stone on Factual Errors **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881 "2021-12-11T12:32:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 103
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2041 "2024-02-20T02:47:43Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > Remember when he overreacted to an anti-Musk article from The Onion. I missed that one. Linky? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2042 "2024-02-20T02:48:10Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Perhaps he misremembered what he wrote himself. Yeah, I’m gonna do it… Maybe his son wrote it. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2043 "2024-02-20T02:48:36Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I missed that one. Linky? I recall you were the first commenter about it. Not sure what thread it was. Edit: [Aha, right here.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition/963442/3311) ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2044 "2024-02-20T02:51:25Z")
> [@Now that Elon Musk has bought Twitter - now the Pit edition](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition/963442/3310): > > The line between satire and reality is becoming increasingly blurred. There are a few here I could see being real. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2045 "2024-02-20T02:51:54Z")
Ah. I’d forgotten that one. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2046 "2024-02-20T02:52:40Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I’d forgotten that one I seriously don’t see how, it’s almost board-epic. 🙂 But so much bullshit, so little time. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2047 "2024-02-20T02:57:01Z")
Another classic is when he posted an article on Left Wing Violence because that’s what was in the title. The article concluded that while there has been a small uptick in left-wing violence there has been a much larger increase in right-wing violence that might be partially responsible for the left-wing violence. Furthermore, it concluded that right-wing violence is a much more serious problem in the USA. It was a classic “I didn’t read this but it sure seems to support what I want to believe based on the title”. I don’t remember what his excuse was afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2048 "2024-02-20T03:00:25Z")
Nevermind discourse ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2049 "2024-02-20T03:03:38Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > I don’t remember what his excuse was afterwards. > [@Now that Elon Musk has bought Twitter - now the Pit edition](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition/963442/3323): > > I was just making a general comment about what happens to anyone who undermines their company in public. {…} I wasn’t even talking about Musk in particular, just the general principle. … ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2050 "2024-02-20T03:12:25Z")
And one more thing: > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Actually I went down quite a rabbit hole to find that cite. While missing one of the more conspicuous cites from Reuters that pops up when doing a quick search for that alleged quote from Klaus Schwab, it shows that an effort was made alright, but an effort to avoid finding how wrong he was. Sure, a search for "In the future you will have no privacy, and no property. And you will like it! Shows a lot of the conspiracy and right wing sites harping about it (one big clue that there was an echo chamber there), but adding “fact check” showed Wikipedia and Reuters reporting about the misleading copy paste the right wing and conspiracy sites were doing. Since this is the pit: [Let me search it for Sam.](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=In+the+future+you+will+have+no+privacy%2C+and+no+property.+And+you+will+like+it%21+fact+check) ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2051 "2024-02-20T03:17:58Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > But you don’t seem to understand what the WEF is if you think my claim that someone talked about implantable chips is somehow extraordinary. The WEF hosts talks about all kinds of crazy stuff. > > Remember the context in which I said this, which was that serious talks can be bookended by wild futurist talk, and people conflate them either accidentally or intentionally. > > For example: > > [These Workers Have Got a Microchip Implanted in Their Hand From Their Employer | World Economic Forum](https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/08/microchip-in-your-hand-rfid-32m/) Again, it should be noted that this article on a WEF site, far from being an endorsement of microchipping people, is largely negative on the subject and even mentions highly speculative claims about chip implantation being linked to cancer. Hardly an example of the WEF pushing “dangerous ideas”. Speaking of “weird” stuff coming from the “far right”, did Sam ever come up with documentation of his claim in the WEF thread that WEF conferences are marked by a big upsurge in prostitution activity in the host city? Do pedophile crimes and child abductions also soar whenever WEF elites come to town? That’d fit in nicely with what QAnon tells us. 🤪 🤯 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2052 "2024-02-20T03:18:23Z")
Maybe his Google search results are carefully curated to remove anything reasonable or sensible. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2053 "2024-02-20T03:21:27Z")
That’s impossible! His feeds are scientific! /s ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2054 "2024-02-20T04:22:33Z")
It is kind of fascinating to watch unfold. It’s all there, written down, but he insists he was doing the exact opposite of what he actually did. You may be right, he actually believes it. He has said multiple times some form of “it’s possible I may have gotten this wrong” re: the quote he attributed to Klaus, despite it being categorically demonstrated it is unambiguously false. He can’t seem to muster the plain words, “I was wrong.” Absolutely Trumpian. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2055 "2024-02-20T05:42:39Z")
Maybe he reads even his own writing as though it’s written in the Bible Code. ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2056 "2024-02-20T06:51:10Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I spend most of my online time reading science papers, mostly on astronomy and astrophysics, , AI stuff, and hanging on the Straight Dope. My twitter feed is all science, no politics, to the extent that I can filter it. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The video I remember was possibly Richard Hanania talking about it, or maybe someone else. The WEF does not make searching videos easy, and then tend to take videos down, change the names of articles, etc. as they get heat from the public. Honestly, just an incredible moment for this site that Sam managed to utter these two statements within 3 hours of each other. Sam is widdle old innocent that has never actively looked for right wing content and it just keeps on gosh darn appearing in his feed where he has no choice but to consume and then actively spread it. At the same time, he’s consumed so much Richard Hanania content that it’s plausible to him that this would have been the source for his claim and, of course, Richard Hanania is a source of such impeccable acclaim [with](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/richard-hanania-white-supremacist-pseudonym-richard-hoste_n_64c93928e4b021e2f295e817) [definitely](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/08/richard-hanania-racist-message.html) [no](https://www.insidehighered.com/news/faculty-issues/academic-freedom/2023/08/10/hananias-name-gone-ut-austin-center-after-expose) [issues](https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-clown-pundits-are-defending-a-racist-to-own-the-libs) that it would be absurd to think that he could be flat out a lying right wing grifter and maybe it would be worthwhile to double check any claims that he makes. The most tedious thing about this is, independent of Richard Hanania’s terrible right wing views, it’s also hard to convey just how tediously dumb Richard Hanania is and that, if you ever find yourself having consumed so much Richard Hanania content that _it’s plausible one of your claims could have come from him_, you should take a long hard look in the mirror and ask yourself what the fuck you’re doing with your life that this is what it’s become. But, of course, Sam won’t do that so he’ll continue endlessly clogging up the boards with his need for drama until some external force intervenes to end it. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2057 "2024-02-20T07:11:37Z")
So, ‘I don’t always consume right-wing media, but when I do I prefer American fascists!’? ---
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2058 "2024-02-20T10:08:50Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > He can’t seem to muster the plain words, “I was wrong.” Absolutely Trumpian. Maybe he’s secretly the Fonz? [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/CvdY3HfepOo/hqdefault.jpg "fonzie wr") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvdY3HfepOo) ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2059 "2024-02-20T11:29:43Z")
> [@leahcim](#): > > Maybe he’s secretly the Fonz? If so, he definitely jumped the shark a while ago. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2060 "2024-02-20T12:51:22Z")
That Onion thing is an absolute classic. It’s completely wild that any human being wouldn’t say, “Oh shit, that’s from the Onion! I really shouldn’t post before my first cup of coffee.” You know, unless they were fucking with somebody. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881.md?page=102) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881.md?page=104)