# A serious question for Sam Stone on Factual Errors **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881 "2021-12-11T12:32:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 104
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2061 "2024-02-20T13:12:39Z")
What rough beast, Poe’s Law, It’s Hour come 'round at last, Slouches towards Canadia, to be born! ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2062 "2024-02-20T13:27:11Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > Sam is widdle old innocent that has never actively looked for right wing content and it just keeps on gosh darn appearing in his feed where he has no choice but to consume and then actively spread it. It’s a feature/bug of Twitter especially (not to mention other platforms) that once you show interest in a particular viewpoint, you’re fed other examples and it becomes a self-reinforcing loop. The path of least resistance is to consume what you’re given without bothering to check source veracity and seek out countervailing views.\* \*to learn something, not just troll the other side. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2063 "2024-02-20T14:28:35Z")
This is so very very true. I watched one right-wing video once on YouTube to debunk it. Just one. And suddenly I was bombarded with their garbage. I learnt my lesson. If you’re going to watch something that isn’t in your normal viewing habits, do so in an incognito window. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2064 "2024-02-20T15:54:13Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > What rough beast, Poe’s Law, > It’s Hour come 'round at last, > Slouches towards Canadia, to be born!. I have a sense of things falling apart. ---
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2065 "2024-02-20T16:03:02Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > If you’re going to watch something that isn’t in your normal viewing habits, do so in an incognito window. You can also go to your watch history and remove the offending video. Then it’s like you never watched it. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2066 "2024-02-20T16:25:08Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I have a sense of things falling apart. Fuck, the ‘center’ in this country certainly didn’t hold But I do appreciate the Dope for having a literate crowd ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2067 "2024-02-20T18:10:54Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Fuck, the ‘center’ in this country certainly didn’t hold More MAGA shit is loosed upon the world. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2068 "2024-02-20T18:49:09Z")
I swear sometimes the YouTube algorithm just goes full schitzo regardless. I’ve been bombarded by MGTOW recommendations I had to weed out by telling YouTube not to recommend the channels a couple of times. If you don’t know what MGTOW means, count your blessings and don’t say I didn’t warn you if you look it up. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2069 "2024-02-21T02:54:32Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > AKA, the “You are all a bunch of meany poop-heads” defense. AKA, “The Sam Stone” defense. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2070 "2024-02-21T03:38:50Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > If you don’t know what MGTOW means, count your blessings and don’t say I didn’t warn you if you look it up. **[Maximum Gross Take-Off Weight?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_takeoff_weight)**😉 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2071 "2024-02-21T06:36:11Z")
Men Going Their Own Way, which started with a group called “NO MA’AM”…which was stolen from _Married…With Children_, which featured a Bundy-led men’s group called NO MA’AM-National Organization of Men Against Amazonian Masterhood. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2072 "2024-02-21T06:50:58Z")
(blink) Holy shit, you’re right. I am SO bringing that up if I’m ever unfortunate enough to have that discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2073 "2024-02-21T06:53:51Z")
Nothing says “Respect” like a real group having Al Bundy as their spiritual leader. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2074 "2024-02-21T10:58:58Z")
I bet they salute by sticking a hand down their pants. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2075 "2024-02-21T12:16:52Z")
Yes, I know. As a fan of aviation in general, I always associated the initialism “MTOW” and its variants like “MGTOW” with aircraft performance. I never really had much interest in misogyny. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2076 "2024-02-21T13:00:40Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Nothing says “Respect” like a real group having Al Bundy as their spiritual leader. It doesn’t quite apply here, but I just ran across this picture yesterday: [![](https://i.imgur.com/jQKhqdhg.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/jQKhqdhg.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2077 "2024-02-21T18:31:45Z")
Unsurprisingly, the MGTOW crowd has another advocate on these boards > [@Men going their own way (MGTOW)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men-going-their-own-way-mgtow/723022/35): > > The same phenomena driving groups like MGTow is also behind the high crime rate in minorities, high divorce rates in the middle class, expanding drug abuse problems. It has been glaring at us for decades yet seems to be ignored. More men are having a hard time fulfilling what they perceive as a male roll. Nothing to laugh at. Things can start to breakdown when basic human instincts are somehow short circuited. > [@Men going their own way (MGTOW)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men-going-their-own-way-mgtow/723022/49): > > I am really pleased to see you take this position. It is having a profound and massive effect on our culture, the world culture possibly and for some reason is scarcely even recognized as a problem. I suspect because the powers to be are not really feeling the effects of it. People in positions of power, even at lower levels tend to loose sight of the fact that men generally do not do well in submissive, nondescript rolls for extended periods of time. I am convinced that it can lower our testo… ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2078 "2024-02-21T20:19:44Z")
The two of them are very similar in many, many ways. Not that I’m saying one is a sock of the other. Just that Honey Badger also constantly says “I trust the experts”, but when told “The experts say X.” replies with “Yeah, but they’re biased.” In particular with respect to climate change. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2079 "2024-02-21T21:23:23Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > The two of them are very similar in many, many ways. Not that I’m saying one is a sock of the other. If they’re socks then HDBC would have to be Sam when Sam got REALLY stoned. Because Sam actually sounds intelligent every now and then. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2080 "2024-02-21T21:33:47Z")
At best, one is shockingly uncritical of sources that align with his political beliefs (at worst, outright trolling) while being generally intelligent about non-political topics The other is shockingly uninformed and quite unintelligent about nearly any topic. Their similarity exists primarily in their near total disregard for any rational discussion or information that contradicts their worldview. I will admit that among a crowd who appreciate accurate information and informed discussion, people who don’t fit that mold do seem more alike than they may actually be. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881.md?page=103) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881.md?page=105)