# A serious question for Sam Stone on Factual Errors **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881 "2021-12-11T12:32:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 116
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2301 "2024-04-03T20:17:25Z")
Re-wording the thread title: “A serious question about Sam Stone and Factual Errors: Can he change?” We have over 2000 posts in this thread, more in other semi-related Pit threads, and all sorts of speculation. Whether you consider him a deliberate troll, or just so lost in wanting to Win for his Team (for those that bother with the difference) that he attempts to hijack any thread to his hobbyhorse and willfully misrepresent his own cites, he has, as mentioned in the suspension notice kept pushing despite well meaning posters trying to correct him, and the mods stepping in and telling him to stop. My own opinion on his motivations doesn’t bare repeating, especially while he’s not here to defend himself, but regardless of his _motivation_ for doing so, no, I don’t think he can. For whatever reason, his politically-linked issues are so important to him that I think he’ll keep doing it, although I also think he’ll seize upon any tiny, plausible pretext a thread gives him to defend himself. Sure, he’ll probably be _better_ for a few weeks/months, but… especially if the mods are, as reported, watching him more closely, and that future episodes where once he skated with a mod-note may no longer be given freely. Just for the record, I took him off ignore to review his quality, and thoughtful support in the VR Maven’s thread, and do appreciate what some other posters see in him. But I think that his other tendencies (which, IMHO have been getting _worse_ not better) put him firmly on the “more trouble than he’s worth” side of the scales. Of course, if this wakes him up and he dramatically improves, let me know, and I’ll apologize. Being wrong on the internet is so low on my give-a-damn list as to be a negligible concern. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2302 "2024-04-03T20:21:18Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > A certain element in Canada uses the same bullshit excuse as the y’allgueda lost cause worshippers in America do to proudly display the confederate rag. How is “It’s someone else’s heritage” supposed to work?? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2303 "2024-04-03T20:58:12Z")
> [@Suspension of 7 days for Sam Stone, again hijacking threads](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suspension-of-7-days-for-sam-stone-again-hijacking-threads/999783/1): > > It appears that in the last 4 years Sam has had at least 20 modnotes. Seven days until Sam is free to tell us that everyone is out to get him despite **two decades** of getting away with bad-faith fact-free arguing. There’s almost always an XKCD, but in this case I had to quickly (and very skillfully) repurpose one. Just pretend the years go all the way to 2024. Or don’t. I’m not your mom. [![](https://i.ibb.co/T4904Kt/Screenshot.png) ](https://i.ibb.co/T4904Kt/Screenshot.png) ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2304 "2024-04-03T21:03:39Z")
I finally went to the ATMB post about this suspension. That’s some history of ridiculous hijacks just to get some bullshit right-wing talking point into the conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2305 "2024-04-03T21:15:10Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Eh, I’ve never noticed him to be outright racist, just in the thrall of American conservatives for some baffling reason. Being in the thrall of American conservatives is the biggest red flag for someone being racist. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2024, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/2306 "2024-04-04T19:14:41Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > How is “It’s someone else’s heritage” supposed to work?? IIRC the [German American Bundt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American_Bund) used a lot of [symbols](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/German_American_Youth_House_Banner.svg/255px-German_American_Youth_House_Banner.svg.png) and [iconography](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/GAB_Rally_Poster.jpg) that leaned pretty heavily German as well as [American ones](https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2017/10/Night-at-the-garden-e1508146976975.jpg). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881.md?page=115)