# A serious question for Sam Stone on Factual Errors **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881 "2021-12-11T12:32:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/361 "2022-09-23T17:11:41Z")
Shh. Don’t ruin my clever Billie Eilish reference. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/362 "2022-09-23T17:18:50Z")
Thanks for the earworm asshole. 😡 (Seriously, that song is really hard to get out of your head! 😬) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/363 "2022-09-23T21:52:06Z")
And now we learn that American code breakers cracked Enigma in WW II > [@Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24/960037/8445): > > If you have a hack that exposes data the other side is using to target you, your first goal is to use the data to your advantage. You don’t go public with it to get ‘credit’, any more than American code breakers would have leaked that they had cracked Enigma just to prevent someone else from getting credit for it. Knowing that the enemy has located some of your equipment is much more useful if they don’t know you know. The minute they discover the hack they will use a different communicati… ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/364 "2022-09-23T22:15:57Z")
Oh, fuck off. I know who cracked Enigma. Alan Turing is my hero. I was thinking about the Japanese Naval Codes that Americans broke that helped win Midway. It was a simple slip - I get ganged up on in threads and have to answer half a dozen posts at a time. Try it sometime. As for the supply chain diagrams, the point I was making was that natural systems evolve complex (in the mathematical sense) networks, and used the diagram of a supply chain as an example. I even linked to the definition of a complex network, which was ignored. The other diagram looked much more ordered to me. For example, I didn’t see any feedback loops. But if it’s indeed a complex network by the definition of complex networks, I simply mistook it for something else. And once again I made the mistake of trying to engage civilly in the pit. I should know better. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/365 "2022-09-23T22:31:41Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > It was a simple slip Sure. I mix up Enigma with Japanese naval codes all the time. But keep on whining that you’re being picked on. It makes you look terrific. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/366 "2022-09-23T22:33:24Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > And once again I made the mistake of trying to engage civilly in the pit. I should know better. > I’ve been unfailingly polite and YOU two have been nothing but RUDE! ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/367 "2022-09-24T00:00:01Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I mix up Enigma with Japanese naval codes all the time. Not as bad as confusing lamb with veal though. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/368 "2022-09-24T06:01:13Z")
That jackhole has a lot of American pride for a Canadian. Esp considering the Commonwealth could actually have been considered to have cracked Enigma itself. Next thing, he’ll be one of those advocating for broader 2nd Amendment solutions up there. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/369 "2022-09-24T06:16:07Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > That jackhole has a lot of American pride for a Canadian. Do folks really believe he lives north of the US/Canada border? ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/370 "2022-09-24T11:11:13Z")
I think he really does. We have a LOT of American politics lovers in Canada, especially on the right. They would very much like to see American politics come to Canada, and they are starting to make it a bit of a reality. For example, the Deputy Minister for the opposition (so kind of the 2nd highest member of the opposition) was photographed wearing a Make America Great Again hat, and is very pro-Trump. It is not unusual to see people flying Trump 2020 or 2024 flags at conservative events. Plenty of confederate flags as well. Somehow they don’t think it dumb to say “It is heritage not hate”, which is of course, even dumber than when an American says it. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/371 "2022-09-24T12:26:01Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > Do folks really believe he lives north of the US/Canada border? Most of my relatives in Canada have jumped on the Trump train. First and second generation South Asian immigrants in Canada letting their racist, anti-immigrant AND anti-First Nations flag fly. Going on about how American free speech and gun rights are a model for Canada. And most amazingly touting the American health care system as a model of innovation and fairness. Was all below the surface for decades until the last few years. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/372 "2022-09-24T17:33:11Z")
I guess there are dumb people everywhere. And flying a Trump flag in Canada is up there on the dumbness scale. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/373 "2022-09-25T04:05:57Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > That jackhole has a lot of American pride for a Canadian. Esp considering the Commonwealth could actually have been considered to have cracked Enigma itself. > > Next thing, he’ll be one of those advocating for broader 2nd Amendment solutions up there. I said it before and I’ll say it again - that jackhole is likely mentally challenged on some level. If any non-Canadian had the obsession with Canadian politics that this non-US citizen/resident has with US politics it would cause many here to question if there was some mental imbalance on display. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/374 "2022-09-28T17:29:46Z")
Stop posting stuff you found in random corners of the internet. You do not turn into a liberal by paying attention to real news, you just become informed about the world. What sort of response you think makes sense, to any particular situation, is what makes you left or right-wing. > [@Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24/960037/8694): > > This is is an amazing spectacle: One of Russia’s top news panel shows, generally spouting whatever the Kremlin line of the day is. But now, one of the hosts of the show has been drafted, and this is what occurred: First point: These people are awful. They have been the hawkiest of the war hawks, but now suddenly the Donbas is a ‘meat grinder’. The femle co-host (the biggest hawk of them all) says that the host should never have been drafted because Russia has enough pedophiles and oth… Here’s 9 pages of sources: > **[Filtered Search](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/filtered-search/?bias=Least%20Biased&factual_reporting=high&credibility_rating=High%20Credibility)** > > Use the drop-downs to sort our source ratings by Bias, Factual Reporting, Country of Origin, Traffic Estimates, and Credibility. For information on how Choose a bunch and axe whatever stupid nonsense you’re following now. This isn’t hard. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/375 "2022-09-29T09:03:30Z")
Not to defend Sam, but that show is so genuinely batshit crazy that the fake narrative was surprisingly plausible. Tbh, I only twigged when one of them referred to the “meatgrinder” - that one of them might get drafted and have a tantrum about it is in character, but they’d never dis the war like that. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/376 "2022-09-29T11:01:55Z")
I agree – I thought it might be legit until I saw that the tweeter was a parody account. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/377 "2022-10-06T01:41:03Z")
> [@Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9103): > > No, I’ve already explained what a sane ‘transition’ would look like As the mod noted, this is a hijack regarding who gets the blame about the current energy crisis in Europe. But related to the issue in the ‘Russia invades Ukraine’ thread, it is enough to note that Sam is incapable of noticing that Russia is the one that also gets a lot of the blame in that issue too. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/378 "2022-10-06T01:50:42Z")
Wow. YOU are the one that hijacked that, buddy. Just like you’ve done a hundred times when someone mentions anything to do with global warming. I made that original comment responding to Magiver in the context of the war, gas prices, and Saudi Arabia. You came back with a full page of global warming glurge, like you always do. I simply responded to you, then -I- pointed out that it was a hijack and told you to start another thread and I’d be happy to continue. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/379 "2022-10-06T01:53:14Z")
Duly noted that you ignored the main point: **stop being a Russian stooge**. And it was not glurge, as you usually do, you ignore who it was being quoted. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/380 "2022-10-06T01:54:24Z")
Let me clarify, **you both went off-topic**. It usually takes two or more to make a hijack. I want to make this really clear. It was both of you. Not one or the other. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881.md?page=20)