# A serious question for Sam Stone on Factual Errors **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881 "2021-12-11T12:32:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2022, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/21 "2022-07-26T23:01:58Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The comments I made about Hunter’s laptop and the Durham report were both couched in a suitable amount of skepticism, and my questions about them were framed like, “IF this is true, what do,you think the implications are?” Regarding the laptop stuff, this is false: > [@Let me be real clear: this message board does NOT need conservatives](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/2665): > > You know why you need conservatives? To fight ignorance caused by being in a bubble. For example, we were telling you the Hunter Biden Laptop story was a big deal, while Twitter and Facebook were censoring it. And it was real, and it’s still a big deal. Without us, you might not know that the ‘Trump server connected to s Russian bank’ story was utter bullshit. Without us you might not have heard that a lawyer representing Hillary Clinton has been indicted for lying to the FBI about it, and… No, it was never a big deal. It was always just rumor and innuendo. That Hunter might have had a laptop with emails in it is not a big deal and never was. You fell for right wing disinformation bullshit. And you’re still falling for it! So forgive us for mocking you and calling you foolish for falling for this bullshit, over and over and over, even when we point out your mistakes again and again. Sure, you can whine and moan about how you’re always insulted and attacked. Or you could recognize good advice, and consider following it - and here it is: The Hunter Biden laptop story was always tabloid nonsense. It was tainted from the beginning. No facts (beyond the existence of a laptop), no correlation, nothing but rumor and innuendo. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2022, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/22 "2022-07-26T23:06:53Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No facts (beyond the existence of a laptop), no correlation, nothing but rumor and innuendo. - That’s what passes for fact in **Sam’s** world. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2022, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/23 "2022-07-27T03:12:04Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Start a thread anywhere but the pit and I will be happy to debate it. > _ **I will not engage in debate here.** _ We are adding this to the lie count correct? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2022, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/24 "2022-07-27T06:47:47Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > @Sam_Stone hasn’t come clean about how massively, colossally wrong he was about Trump’s ridiculous tweets about declassifying info. He hasn’t come clean about how massively, colossally wrong he was to take the Hunter Biden laptop stuff as anything other than right-wing tabloid nonsense. He hasn’t come clean about how massively, colossally wrong he was to take the Durham investigation as anything other than a right-wing sideshow. And while I wouldn’t put the following in the category of “not coming clean”, because AFAIK nobody’s ever specifically asked him to revisit it in light of more recent developments, I don’t think Sam’s voluntarily addressed the massive, colossal wrongness of his sneering minimization and “bothsidesing” the deliberate malevolence of the January 6 insurrection attempt. [According to Sam, just a big fuss about nothing to create “theater” so that Democrats can maintain deployed troops](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cultural-grievance-is-not-a-governing-agenda/937288/87) (which Sam persistently miscalled a “standing army”) and other Deep State nefariousness in DC, a whole three or four months after January 6: > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Just pointing out that they weren’t some right-wing militia rabble being caught up in an ‘insurrection’. They were just normal people hit hard by the times, angry and frustrated. You know, like pretty much any other protest-turned-riot. > > Given that there is still a standing army in Washington over two minths later with no known threats, I believe this is all just theater to smear Republicans in general to justify more surveillance, IRS shenanigans, ‘Operation Chokepoint’ style nonsense, etc. […] > > I think this is political. The Democrats are preparing their ‘domestic extremism’ and gun control bills, and surrounding themselves with soldiers helps them make the case for increased surveillance and disarming of their political enemies. > > If I’m right, the ‘threat’ will ease and the soldiers will go home after the bills pass, and the fact of their leaving will be spun as proof that the bill was the right thing to do and now Washington can breathe a sigh of relief and send the soldiers home. Once the National Guard troops had left the Capitol in May without any Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act or gun control measures having been implemented, Sam eventually shut his pie hole about the menace of the Democrat “standing army”. But he was still maintaining that the Jan. 6 events were [way less concerning than the 2017 attack by a lone-loon leftist on the Congressional Republican baseball team.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-the-january-6-insurrection-had-been-more-successful/945442/6) > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The only person who had any chance of changing the makeup of Congress was the Bernie Bro who shot up a Republican baseball game. We came within a hairs’ breadth of having a whole bunch of Republican politicians assassinated. […] > > Those yahoos in the Capital had no plan. They weren’t trying to start an insurrection - they were just a bunch of angry people trying to ‘have their voices heard’. Once they broke into the actual Senate chambers they basically just milled around acting like tourists, taking selfies, sitting in the speaker’s chair, etc. None of them were armed with firearms. […] > > The idea that you came close to having government toppled is absolutely ridiculous. […] [(And of course ANTIFA!!!)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cultural-grievance-is-not-a-governing-agenda/937288/107) > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Jan 6 was a typical situation of a mob that got out of control, just as the riots of the last year sometimes broke out into violence. […] > > A much better case for ‘insurrection’ could be made of the Antifa folks who repeatedly attempt to burn down police stations and courthouses. Those are actual planned attacks, and not just spontaneous outbresks of violence when a mob gets out of control. In short, coming back to the present: > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The notion of ‘winning’ debate by abusing/shutting down one side with insults and unpleasantness, or declaring people to be so beyond the pale that their arguments aren’t worth addressing, to be antithetical to free expression and debate. […] A free society cannot survive if information is kept from the actors within it. […] > > I think the Pit is terrible for this board […] A free society cannot survive if malevolent manipulators and gullible dumbasses keep deliberately drowning out information with misinformation and lies, either. It seems reasonable to have at least one SDMB forum where posters don’t have to maintain a polite demeanor towards misinformation and lies masquerading as “free expression and debate”. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2022, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/25 "2022-07-27T14:08:47Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > …a polite demeanor towards misinformation and lies masquerading as “free expression and debate”. Yes, and done… > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > calmly …yeah, to deal with possible sealions, huh? …which, in non-pit threads, can be sometimes be a gigantic ask to contend with, and possiblly leading to warnings for setting the record straight “retaliations”. Sealioning and shit can be good n’curbstomped on, only here. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2022, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/26 "2022-07-27T16:59:48Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Sealioning and shit can be good n’curbstomped on, only here. Hence why I characterized the refusal to debate here as cowardice. He wants to hide behind those tactics. I want to clarify one thing… I don’t see Sam as malevolent. I think he’s gullible and when confronted with how he was wrong he doubles down or ignores it. He’s the “useful idiot” often spoken about. He’s probably a decent guy otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2022, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/27 "2022-07-27T19:07:00Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > AFAICT the only thing he is guilty of is holding what I would regard as far-right views (not “alt-right”, just radically and unapologetically conservative). He is otherwise a thoughtful and well-informed poster. This is no longer true and may never have been. Now he latches onto any right wing conspiracy theory that fits his world view and holds onto it like a dog with a bone. For example, with the Michael Sussmann indictment he fell hook line and sinker for the completely unsupported conspiracy theory that the Alfa Bank story originated with the Clinton campaign. Even at the time this was obvious bullshit and posters pointed that out to Sam. He would not be swayed by facts and assured us that the truth would come out at trial and we would see. And we did see. We saw that there was legitimately anomalous data that did not originate with the Clinton campaign and Sussmann was right to bring this to the FBI. And yet after the trial Sam is still making posts like this… > [@The Durham indictments prosecuting fake Trump 'collusion'](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-durham-indictments-prosecuting-fake-trump-collusion/951215/371): > > I don’t think the facts are disputed, which is that Sussmann presented material that originated from the Hillary campaign without disclosing it. Utter bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2022, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/28 "2022-07-27T20:10:27Z")
I agree. Sam seems like a good guy, but completely fooled into thinking he’s a fact based critical thinker by right-wing sources. I would love for him to realize that he’s being lied to and spread his intellectual wings. Sadly, I don’t think it will happen. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/29 "2022-07-28T02:53:37Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I think he’s gullible and when confronted with how he was wrong he doubles down or ignores it. Yeah, that’s the particularly aggravating part. What Sam claims is a good-faith instance of “hoping to start debate” is often just a pigheaded assertion of his own preferred interpretation of reality, regardless of how drastically it may exaggerate or pre-judge or misrepresent the actual facts. So he harrumphs his way through a thread stubbornly insisting that, say, the Capitol rioters “weren’t trying to start an insurrection” and “basically just milled around acting like tourists”. Or that, say, [Germany planning to re-open coal plants as a temporary measure in the process of phasing out coal power generation counts as a straight-up “total disaster”,](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-conservatives-think-there-is-something-intrinsically-good-about-gasoline-fossil-fuel/966254/235) energy-policy-wise. And [an unambiguous indication that “the world is going mad”.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/811) In those debates and so many others, Sam jumps straight to the (highly questionable) conclusion that he wants to believe and talks about it as though it were an obvious truth. When one of his wishful-thinking conclusions later turns out to have been actually extremely far from the truth, he doesn’t bother revisiting it. To be fair—since you voluntarily espoused an unPitly concern for fairness here and I might as well try to keep up—that first linked thread does contain an instance of Sam voluntarily admitting he was wrong about a specific misreading of energy-use statistics that I pointed out to him. But that doesn’t affect my basic point about his tendency toward forensic well-poisoning in general. Sam could easily get a lot more of the multi-viewpointed “rational debate” and “free expression” that he claims to want around here if he would just be a bit less arrogant and dismissive in his sounding-off about highly complex issues whose current implications are by no means definitively resolved. If he could ease up a bit on his baseline assumption that Anything I Consider Plausibly True Or Probable May Be Asserted As Though It’s A Self-Evident Fact. But he doesn’t, and so his overconfident assertions often subsequently blow up on him, and he conveniently ignores it. And then when other posters make fun of his gratuitously showing his ass like that, he gets all huffy about their “personal attacks”. This is typical “conservative snowflake” thinking: “I don’t have to be accurate or fair in my aggressive denunciations of policies or positions that you support, but you have to be courteous and welcoming towards my participation while you do the work of rationally rebutting my inaccuracy and unfairness. Because FREEEEE SPEEEEEECH.” ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/30 "2022-07-28T21:43:47Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I’m a quasi-libertarian, which means … I’m a pathologically selfish person. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/31 "2022-07-29T00:45:17Z")
From my perspective, the pit is good for one thing - to remind me how much hatred some peoole carry towards those who are not ideologically in step with them. Tribes gotta tribe, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/32 "2022-07-29T00:46:07Z")
Still can’t face how wrong you were, and still are, about the laptop nonsense, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/33 "2022-07-29T00:49:17Z")
“I’m not wrong, people are just picking on me.” \< ignores factual information\> ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/34 "2022-07-29T01:13:24Z")
Maybe the laptop is the greatest work of disinformation in history, and I fell for it. Apparently so has the New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, Politico, and CNN who are now reporting on it as real. And by the way, I said right from the beginning that even if the laptop is real and has real, damaging info on it, it could still be ‘salted’ with disinformation that’s even more damaging. All I ever said was that the laptop seems real, and a significant amount of information on it had been validated. And that’s true. And in any event, personally attacking and insulting someone over an honest difference of opinion over a disputed fact is an obnoxious thing to do, and those who engage in it should be ashamed of themselves. It says a lot about your character. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/35 "2022-07-29T01:18:41Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > All I ever said was that the laptop seems real Congrats, it’s quite the coup to be proven right about the least important aspect of the Hunter Biden Laptop scandal, the fact that he owned a laptop. Who would have expected that twist? It’s shocking that the MSM ignored the man’s ownership of a computer for so long, and why hasn’t he been arrested? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/36 "2022-07-29T01:30:01Z")
What, did you miss the part where I said a lot of damaging info found on it has been validated? That part wasn’t important enough to snark at? When I say the laptop was real, you know what I meant. The laptop in the story, left by Hunter Biden at a repair shop and never picked up, was not fake. It wasn’t Russian disinformation. It wasn’t a lie. It really was his, and at least the huge store of data on it that has been validated was actually Hunter’s. BTW, the NYT forensic evaluation of it turned up no hint of Russian disinformation… Some documents on it have yet to be validated, but tens of thousands were. I used up my free views on the NYT so I can’t quote that part now. But the Daily Mail also hired a forensics team, and this is what they found: > [@](#): > > [DailyMail.com](http://DailyMail.com) commissioned cyber forensics experts at Maryman & Associates to examine the hard drive to determine its authenticity. > > The firm’s founder, Brad Maryman, was a 29-year veteran of the FBI, served as a Chief Information Security Officer and founded the bureau’s cyber forensics unit. His partner, Dr. Joseph Greenfield, is an associate professor at the University of Southern California and helped write their degree program in intelligence and cyber operations. > > After an extensive analysis of the hard drive, Greenfield and Maryman produced a report for [DailyMail.com](http://DailyMail.com) detailing their findings. > > Using the same forensic tools as federal and state law enforcement in criminal investigations, they found a total of 103,000 text messages, 154,000 emails and more than 2,000 photos. > > - They found emails for multiple accounts on the laptop dating back to 2009, and other data which ‘appears to be related to Mr. Biden’ between 2016 and 2019. > > - The report’s findings were consistent with the known timeline for the hard drive. A Wilmington, Delaware computer store work order with Hunter’s signature shows he left his 2017 MacBook Pro laptop there on April 12, 2019. > > - The Maryman & Associates report said the original ‘Macintosh HD’ drive was created on March 28, 2018 > > - Hunter’s iCloud email address was added to the laptop’s system on October 21 2018, as well as his work email at his firm Rosemont Seneca on February 2 2019. > > - The same day, a Gmail address he used to log onto sex cam sites, and another personal Gmail address belonging to Hunter, were also added. > > - Beau Biden’s old Gmail account was added on February 7 2019. > > - Emails addressed to Hunter’s various email addresses dating from December 2009 to December 2020 were found on the system. > > - An iPad with the name ‘Hunter’s iPad’ and three email addresses associated with the Biden family was backed up on the laptop and on iCloud in January 2019 and again a month later. > > - Greenfield found 818 call logs in this iPad backup with timestamps from June 2016 to February 2019. > > - There were 8,942 entries in the iPad’s contacts book, created between April 2016 and January 2019. > > - In February 2019 an iPhone XS was also synced with the laptop. Its serial number was consistent with the timestamps of the data on the phone. > > In conclusion, ‘The operating system timestamps appear to be authentic, and no evidence was found to suggest that the timestamps or data were altered or manufactured,’ the report said. ‘No indications were found that would suggest the data was manufactured.’ > **[Washington Post finally admits Hunter Biden's laptop is real](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10669527/Washington-Post-finally-admits-Hunter-Bidens-laptop-real-nine-months-received-copy.html)** > > The Washington Post revealed it had cyber forensics experts validate material from Hunter Biden's abandoned laptop, after months of publishing articles suggesting it could be Russian disinformation. Boy, they sure spent a lot of effort on an imaginary laptop. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/37 "2022-07-29T01:40:41Z")
Sam, do you know what the Daily Mail is? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/38 "2022-07-29T01:45:01Z")
By the way, this was what I said in the very first thread on this in October 2020: > [@Hunter Biden Laptop Question](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587/63): > > In fairness, it could well be that 99% of the E-mails and other information are true, but that the drive is ‘salted’ with nuggets of disinformation. That’s how spooks do it. They aren’t going to fake gigabytes of pictures and other data. They’re going to hack or steal a real hard drive, then inject a few fake things that look real because everything else checks out. > > Trying to prove that there is no disinformation by checking random E-mails or photos is exactly what the spooks expect you to do. So the only way to ‘validate’ the salacious material that matters is to fact-check that material independently of any other fact checks - something that hasn’t really been done yet. That seems pretty fair. Since I posted that, a huge amount of the data on the drive HAS been validated. For example, checking emails by going to the recipients and validating that they had copies of the same email, or checking for copies of legal documents found on the drive. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/39 "2022-07-29T01:49:07Z")
Yes, I do. It’s a newspaper considered to be ‘right wing’, I suppose. But they name the firm and the credentials of the people who did the audit. But if that’s not good enough for you, I assume there is something similar here: > **[2 experts used email headers to determine veracity](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-laptop-methodology/)** > > The methodology behind the examination of data purportedly from Hunter Biden's laptop. It’s paywalled for me, so perhaps you could summarize what they found. Maybe it completely debunks it all - I haven’t read it. This is your chance to prove to me that the laptop was fake, and the story Russian Disinformation. After all, that’s what the people calling me ‘gullible’ have been claiming for two years. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/40 "2022-07-29T02:07:18Z")
Hey if you’re not too busy could I trouble you to address this nonsense. > [@The Durham indictments prosecuting fake Trump 'collusion'](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-durham-indictments-prosecuting-fake-trump-collusion/951215/371): > > I don’t think the facts are disputed, which is that Sussmann presented material that originated from the Hillary campaign without disclosing it. This isn’t true and it was obvious it wasn’t true when right wing media misinterpreted a Durham filing, yet you are still posting this even after it was immediately debunked before the trial even started, and months later after the conclusion of the trial that laid the facts bare. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881.md?page=3)