# A serious question for Sam Stone on Factual Errors **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881 "2021-12-11T12:32:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/501 "2023-01-30T22:18:45Z")
They may be “bad” but at least they are not demonstrably flawed and harmful, like yours. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/502 "2023-01-30T22:25:58Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > They write the apology, and the apology is used as an admission of malfeasance and they get fired anyway. You can’t win. You can just ignore the game for what it is, and mock the people who engage in it for the petty tyrants they are. Uh, no, in this case you just recently undermined your argument here by declaring just a few weeks ago that an expert on energy was just saying “climate change glurge”, and the worst thing was that his main point was that you and others on the right are willfully ignoring that what was happening in Europe regarding energy was caused by what Putin and Russia was doing in Ukraine, like how Putin has demolished any confidence on using nuclear power in Europe thanks to what Putin is **also** doing in Ukraine too. Really, you came as a Russian Stooge then, and when now you did not even check the cite about how the right wing was lying about Rachel Carson, well, your point here is then very, very underwhelming. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/503 "2023-01-30T22:34:09Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Yes it would, because the point of these threads is to attempt to drive conservatives off this board, or otherwise make their lives miserable. Ah, martyr martyr martyr. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > There is no way to avoid that so long as the world is filled with triggered partisan assholes who cannot abide opinions they don’t agree with. That’s possible, but it is _your_ choice as to whether you continue to be a triggered partisan asshole that cannot abide opinions you don’t agree with. So far, you have chosen poorly. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Hey, remember when I got pitted like 200 times and was told to apologize for saying that the Hunter Biden Laptop might be real? No, I don’t, actually. But I _do_ remember you constantly misrepresenting what people actually say. I’ll assume that the 200 is hyperbole, and not chalk it up as a lie, so I’ll only ask you to quote _one_ time this has happened to avoid you being caught in yet another lie. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Retaliation is not the same as instigation. I have never pitted anyone on this board that I can recall. I am unfailingly civil to people who are civil with me, even if they have gone postal on me in the Pit. Yes, you use nice language as you lie, both about what happens in the world, and about what the people you are interreacting with actually said. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I maintain that the Pit is a stain on this otherwise fine board, and the people who enjoy living in it are some of the worst people on this board. Right, it’s the only place where your lies can be directly called out. I don’t think many enjoy coming down here, but it is necessary to keep people from you from spewing your bullshit unremarked. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > So even if I admit I was wrong on something I’ll just get accused of ‘buying time’. So what’s the point? The point is to be right, to know and accept reality as it _is_, not as you wish it to be. Does it really matter what others think of you? Not being wrong is inherently better than being wrong, even if you are not giving a ticker tape parade for finally admitting it. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The point of struggle sessions is not to get at the truth Good history lesson. Now go apologize to all the people who suffered real pain, injury, and death as a result of ideological difference with their government being compared to being called out for your lied on a message board. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > See! That person now ADMITS he was wrong! He’s guilty!” Cite? Or admit that you are lying again. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > People on the left love their struggle sessions and forced confessions. Projections much? > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > It’s like when conservative university professors who step out of line get told they must write an apology or be fired. They write the apology, and the apology is used as an admission of malfeasance and they get fired anyway. Cite or admit it’s another one of your lies or misrepresentations. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > You can just ignore the game for what it is, and mock the people who engage in it for the petty tyrants they are. Seems you can’t, actually. If being in the pit is literally like being detained, starved, and tortured, then why do you voluntarily subject yourself to it? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/504 "2023-01-30T22:35:23Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The point of struggle sessions is not to get at the truth. LOL, misusing some barely-understood Maoist language does not make you any more noble or right. It just makes you look so propagandized that, in time, you’re going to be yelling Marxist slogans to support the plutocracy. “Struggle sessions”, my God, what unadorned self-pitying. We are _arguing_ in the Western tradition and the fact you are this boards [Hamilton Burger](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton_Burger) doesn’t make us Maoists. Amazing, absolutely amazing the psychological depths you will go to in order to merely not change your mind. Or admit you were wrong. Psychologists would have a _field day_ examining the psychosis of a man who literally joins the same lunch room table every day for 25 years so he could crown himself with martyred glory when inevitably rejected. Sad. Truly sad. I like sitting with people who like me, Sam. Do you not have that option? Guys, we got him studying Maoism. The circle will soon be complete. 🦹 ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/505 "2023-01-30T22:40:45Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Guys, we got him studying Maoism. The circle will soon be complete. 🦹 Eh, I assume that he reads “Prospect Magazine”, as they used the term recently, and it seems to be his favorite term of the day. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/506 "2023-01-30T22:40:52Z")
LOL. This is hilarious. Try harder. My god, I might start to pity you soon. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/507 "2023-01-30T22:45:20Z")
My grandparents would call him the President of the Poor Me Club with a performance like that. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/508 "2023-01-30T22:47:56Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Not being wrong is inherently better than being wrong I think I am mostly ok with people being wrong, as long as they are not going around steadfastly trying to infect others with the errors of their ways. In this respect, the wrongness of Sam Stone turns out to be of the worst kind. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/509 "2023-01-30T22:48:27Z")
He doesn’t fight ignorance. He purposely spreads it. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/510 "2023-01-30T23:03:19Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > I think I am mostly ok with people being wrong, as long as they are not going around steadfastly trying to infect others with the errors of their ways. I don’t really care if someone is “wrong on the internet”. There are times when I feel it is necessary to correct them, for the sake of passerby’s if not for their own. But Sam is not being wrong on the internet, he is claiming that others are, while peddling lies and misconstructions. He actively feeds into ignorance and misinformation. Personally, I don’t like to be wrong and spend a substantial amount of time looking for ways of improving my knowledge of the world, unlike Sam who spends even more time looking to justify his misrepresentation of it. I just don’t get what he gets out of it. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/511 "2023-01-30T23:04:37Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I just don’t get what he gets out of it. It’s a long dark winter in “Canada” where he lives. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/512 "2023-01-30T23:18:55Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > LOL. This is hilarious. Try harder. My god, I might start to pity you soon. I’m not looking for pity. I can handle the opinions of randos on the internet just fine. You mean absolutely nothing to me when you are just engaging in petty attacks and assholery. You’re like monkeys in a zoo flinging feces at that point. I look on with bemused detachment. If you want me to care about what you are saying, say something actually substantive. I’ll respond fairly to your reasonable ideas, and mock your lame attempts at insults. Because they are pathetic. It feels like a schoolyard in here. I would hope grownups would behave better, but I’ve been on the internet long enough to inow the deal. Nasty, hateful people show their true selves when they don’t have to look their victim in the eye or worry about retaliation. They do it even more readily in the company of others doing the same. It’s sad and pathetic, but it’s true. I met my wife when I came to her defense when she was being bullied by a couple of people. She’s awesome, so it paid off. I quit the school football team when the other members bullied a little kid, and took the kid home. So if you think you’re going to hurt me by throwing insults over the internet, well… ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/513 "2023-01-30T23:22:00Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The point of struggle sessions is not to get at the truth. It’s to put people who you think are ‘wrong’ through a wringer to punish them, make yourselves feel better about your own beliefs, and to be a lesson to others who might not agree with you. I mean, that’s nice and all, but really, I’d settle for you just reading your own cites before you post them. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/514 "2023-01-30T23:25:51Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > since his mother refuses to do his laundry anymore even though he still lives in her basement. As a minor (possibly hijack-y) side note since it was mentioned in this thread, can we stop using “You live with your parents!” as an insult? I’m not calling you out, Kolak, just using your words as an example. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/515 "2023-01-30T23:26:55Z")
Hey, I can take the hit. I should have just stuck with dishonest, lying sack of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/516 "2023-01-30T23:27:22Z")
I’ll apologize if I ever think I’m wrong. Maybe. And I’ve been unfailing civil to you randos. Also I have a black belt. And you’re all nasty hateful people, who are mean to me, so I’m right. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/517 "2023-01-30T23:27:40Z")
He’s an intellectual self-flaggelant: [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52659547656_91b2dcc64c.jpg "download") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/68782016@N08/52659547656/) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/518 "2023-01-30T23:36:53Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I’m not looking for pity. I can handle the opinions of randos on the internet just fine. Nope. You can’t handle the facts, so then your opinions come as the rando thing. (Notice how I do beat your opinion there and not as you do, beating the persons?) ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/519 "2023-01-30T23:40:25Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Hey, remember when I got pitted like 200 times and was told to apologize for saying that the Hunter Biden Laptop might be real? Yes, Hunter Biden had a lap top with emails on it, and [Comet Ping Pong](https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g28970-d940774-Reviews-Comet_Ping_Pong-Washington_DC_District_of_Columbia.html) is a real place [that children sometimes go into](https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g28970-d940774-Reviews-Comet_Ping_Pong-Washington_DC_District_of_Columbia.html#photos;aggregationId=101&albumid=101&filter=7&ff=388164432). ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/520 "2023-01-30T23:52:45Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > > [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > > > LOL. This is hilarious. Try harder. My god, I might start to pity you soon. > > I’m not looking for pity. I can handle the opinions of randos on the internet just fine. You mean absolutely nothing to me when you are just engaging in petty attacks and assholery. You’re like monkeys in a zoo flinging feces at that point. I look on with bemused detachment. > > If you want me to care about what you are saying, say something actually substantive. I’ll respond fairly to your reasonable ideas, and mock your lame attempts at insults. Because they are pathetic. It feels like a schoolyard in here. I would hope grownups would behave better, but I’ve been on the internet long enough to inow the deal. Nasty, hateful people show their true selves when they don’t have to look their victim in the eye or worry about retaliation. They do it even more readily in the company of others doing the same. It’s sad and pathetic, but it’s true. > > I met my wife when I came to her defense when she was being bullied by a couple of people. She’s awesome, so it paid off. I quit the school football team when the other members bullied a little kid, and took the kid home. So if you think you’re going to hurt me by throwing insults over the internet, well… This is pathetic. I know you aren’t looking for pity. Sheesh. I’m not asking you to care about what I say. I’m asking you to care about what you say. You lie all the time. You’re wrong all the time and you never admit it because you’re a weak small man. And I just love the sweet story about how you met and rescued your wife. What a hero you are. You sort of spoiled the story when you mentioned that your heroic act “paid off”, but hey, you do you. Dumbass. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881.md?page=27)