# A serious question for Sam Stone on Factual Errors **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881 "2021-12-11T12:32:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/521 "2023-01-30T23:56:00Z")
Come to think of it, Sam never apologized for failing for the right-wing email scams about “climate gate”. Again, the emails like the Hunter laptop were real, but the inuendo was as fake as a 3 dollar bill. ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/522 "2023-01-31T00:30:16Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > We are _arguing_ in the Western tradition and the fact you are this boards [Hamilton Burger](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton_Burger) doesn’t make us Maoists. I would point out here that in the world of _Perry Mason_, Hamilton Burger didn’t want to convict the innocent, and was happy that Perry led him to the actual perpetrator in court - and as such, was happy that truth eventually came out, with no “struggle sessions” involved. After all, Burger won at least half the cases he tried - the half that didn’t get filmed, the ones Mason presented him on a silver platter. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/523 "2023-01-31T01:41:49Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > if you respectfully point out an error I made in a thread where I make it, I will readily apologize for it there if I think you are correct Fantastic. Way back when you posted this: > [@The Durham indictments prosecuting fake Trump 'collusion'](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-durham-indictments-prosecuting-fake-trump-collusion/951215/3): > > As for it being one of the ‘weakest’ cases he’s seen, apparently a Grand Jury did not agree. So fhere will be a trial, and we’ll find out how weak the case is then. The after the trial, I respectfully asked this question: > [@The Durham indictments prosecuting fake Trump 'collusion'](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-durham-indictments-prosecuting-fake-trump-collusion/951215/381): > > Did we find out how weak the case was? You have never addressed this. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/524 "2023-01-31T01:51:31Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > So if you think you’re going to hurt me by throwing insults over the internet, well… You are the one that is comparing people criticizing you to “Struggle Sessions”. Either you are being hurt deeply by your mistreatment here, or you are blowing anyone saying anything that you don’t want to hear way out of proportion. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Also I have a black belt. I have a black belt, too. It holds up my black pants. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/525 "2023-01-31T02:17:34Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I have a black belt, too. It holds up my black pants. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/cm3ikyMzMlA/hqdefault.jpg "Mr. Miyagi - On belts in Karate") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm3ikyMzMlA) “JC Penney, $3.98.” Of course, Miyagi-san never looted a _+5 Belt of Karate Strike_ from a lich’s horde. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/526 "2023-01-31T02:21:53Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If we weren’t so mean to him, undoubtedly he’d address his factual errors and apologize for them. But we’re just too mean, too insistent on pointing out his errors and asking him to apologize. I mean, the right is constantly telling the left that they would win more elections if they would just stop being _so mean_ to people on the right. So … why change something that works? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/527 "2023-01-31T04:48:21Z")
_Over in the Elon Musk Twitter Pit Edition thread, I posted a poll regarding Sam\_Stone continuing to tell one particular lie. I guess I really should’ve posted the poll here, and making it more general. So, here’s my redemption for that mistake._ Why Does **Sam\_Stone** lie? _Poll ([view on site](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/527))_ p.s. And that bit about lhow he met his wife. Now that was some quality writing there. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/528 "2023-01-31T04:50:45Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > • Oh, Hell; any combination of two or more of the choices above. You do know that you can make multi-selection polls, right? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/529 "2023-01-31T05:02:33Z")
_That’s right! Completely slipped my mind. :slaps\_self\_silly: (Why isn’t that a smiley here?) Here’s the new & improved version. Thanks!_ Why does Sam\_Stone lie? _Poll ([view on site](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/529))_ ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/530 "2023-01-31T09:16:38Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Yet another board conservative whining about being persecuted for being held accountable for their lies. SO unfair. Welp, I nailed that. Thanks for the validation, Sam. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/531 "2023-01-31T13:16:11Z")
I voted for _all_ the options. But mainly, I think the answer is “other”: It doesn’t matter to him whether something is really true or not, but how it makes him feel. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/532 "2023-01-31T13:47:11Z")
Ah, the Tan the Conman approach, aka “truthiness”. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/533 "2023-01-31T15:13:52Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > It doesn’t matter to him whether something is really true or not, but how it makes him feel. That, and the obsession with ‘winning’ the argument. If you debunk 99% of one of his cites, the 1% that remains, in his not so humble opinion, is the same as his whole point being accurate. Which is why he keeps moving the goalposts - if he generalizes enough, he can always find a ‘win’ and ignore the rest. Although, within the last couple of months, I’m starting to feel that he’s moving past the “win by any definition” slowly into a sea-lionesque politely troll the libs as well. There’s a certain smugness beyond the martyrdom, a very knowing blindness, and the more the board tries to correct his errors (not beliefs, but factual errors) the more that smugness seems to ooze through this posts. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/534 "2023-01-31T15:36:59Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > Although, within the last couple of months, I’m starting to feel that he’s moving past the “win by any definition” slowly into a sea-lionesque politely troll the libs as well. There’s a certain smugness beyond the martyrdom, a very knowing blindness, and the more the board tries to correct his errors (not beliefs, but factual errors) the more that smugness seems to ooze through this posts. Well, what else does he have? Between generally being wrong and specifically lying, he’s absolutely destroyed any credibility he had. It’s easier just to go the petulant “You’re just picking on me for partisan reasons” route than to attempt to mend his ways. Plus he’d have to start getting his news and information from more reliable sources, and again that would mean admitting he was wrong in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/535 "2023-01-31T15:43:40Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > more the board tries to correct his errors (not beliefs, but factual errors) the more that smugness seems to ooze through this posts. Yep. More and more of “You only believe that because you’re a leftie” garbage. Evident in his Elon Musk love-posts. Anyone who has a critique of Musk or does not think he shits gold nuggets is a disgruntled leftie. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/536 "2023-01-31T15:45:51Z")
I was really quite amused when he said that to me yesterday. I am more than willing to give credit to talent, regardless of whether they are left and right. I can simultaneously disagree with somebody’s politics, while recognizing their talent. The first thing that comes to mind is Hollywood. There are some right-wing actors that I disagree with but they’re quite talented actors. Clint Eastwood comes to mind for example. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/537 "2023-01-31T15:49:17Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > I can simultaneously disagree with somebody’s politics, while recognizing their talent. This does not compute to some. They are partisan about unrelated issues, so everyone must be. Projection. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/538 "2023-01-31T16:14:50Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > The first thing that comes to mind is Hollywood. There are some right-wing actors that I disagree with but they’re quite talented actors. Clint Eastwood comes to mind for example. John Wayne was. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/jOsZDfFiIYQ/maxresdefault.jpg "John Wayne Dressed As A Bunny | Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In | George Schlatter") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOsZDfFiIYQ) The pertinent bit starts at 2:03. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/539 "2023-01-31T16:22:48Z")
It’s agile development! ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/540 "2023-01-31T18:31:37Z")
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