# A serious question for Sam Stone on Factual Errors **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881 "2021-12-11T12:32:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/821 "2023-07-15T21:12:15Z")
> [@Judge limits Biden administration contact with social media firms](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/judge-limits-biden-administration-contact-with-social-media-firms/986583/87): > > Replying to myself before seeing anyone else’s posts, because I misspoke. I posted that and had to leave, then realized what I had said and that it was wrong. Owning your mistakes is commendable. “Replying to yourself before seeing anyone else’s posts”, 4 days and 77 replies later, is pure vanity. The cat was out of the bag. It’s disrespectful to the people who responded to you. Maybe we should all take the precaution of not reading any **Sam\_Stone** post until 4 days have passed, so as not to waste our time writing a response that won’t be read. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/822 "2023-07-15T21:16:05Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Maybe we should all take the precaution of not reading any **Sam\_Stone** post (please pardon my snip) There ya go, I fixed it for you. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/823 "2023-07-15T22:03:51Z")
Why are you being so harsh on poor old Sam? He’s just treating people responding to him the same way he treats his own cites, i.e., not reading them first. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2023, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/824 "2023-07-19T08:43:23Z")
I think this example of pure, shining cowardice (in the face of having to back up his ~~factual errors~~ lies about reading the IPCC reports, and being called on the extreme obviousness of his attempt to link climate science and bad science) needs to be highlighted here in Sam’s dedicated thread, not just in the Climate Change one: > [@Climate Change Deniers; What more proof do you need?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-deniers-what-more-proof-do-you-need/986958/109): > > Okay, I’m out. Forgot this thread was in the pit where the assholes roam. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2023, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/825 "2023-07-19T10:25:12Z")
To be fair to Sam, not that he deserves it, but I didn’t exactly ask nicely. I’m just so tired of his bullshit. He doesn’t read his own cites, he makes numerous “errors” (I’m inclined to think they are more lies than errors), contradicts himself in the same thread (sometimes between two consecutive posts), whines about how he gets mistreated without ever acknowledging that his lack of credibility is of his own making, etc. I blocked him and in my own stupidity started answering him again. For my own sanity, I should stop replying to him. It is absolutely 100% pointless. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2023, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/826 "2023-07-19T10:29:08Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > I didn’t exactly ask nicely His coy “I didn’t say _climate_ science retractions were getting higher” bullshit didn’t deserve nice. Hell, in any other forum, it deserved a warning. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2023, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/827 "2023-07-19T11:10:38Z")
\*checks scorecard \* Hm! I don’t have “public flounce” on here. Normally he quietly leaves and then comes back later as if nobody had ever discredited him. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2023, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/828 "2023-07-19T11:13:06Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Normally he quietly leaves and then comes back later as if nobody had ever discredited him. Oh, he’ll still do that. Probably to tell us again all about the Russia hoax and how he was right about Hunter’s laptop. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2023, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/829 "2023-07-19T16:59:32Z")
I don’t doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/830 "2023-07-20T13:32:24Z")
Sam Stone deliberately misgendered Assistant Secretary for Health Rachel Levine, calling her a “trans man.” That was an obnoxious slap in the face to all trans people and he deserves to be called out for it. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/831 "2023-07-20T13:35:13Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > Sam Stone deliberately misgendered Assistant Secretary for Health Rachel Levine, calling her a “trans man.” That was an obnoxious slap in the face to all trans people and he deserves to be called out for it.   Did you report the post so the mods notice it? ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/832 "2023-07-20T13:44:24Z")
I hadn’t earlier, but I’ve reported it now. At the time, my rebuke to Sam called him out for transphobia and also for his ahistorical claims. > [@Trolls R Us Resurrections](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections/950518/9874): > > If you mean Rachel Levine, she is a trans woman, not a man. Trans women existed openly in 1985 and well before then, and were called transsexual women in those days, and then as now the only persons who called them men did it with hostile and destructive intent. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/833 "2023-07-20T13:47:40Z")
Thanks. Our best defense is consistently reporting posts that break the rules. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/834 "2023-07-20T13:53:53Z")
Do you have a link to that post? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/835 "2023-07-20T13:57:03Z")
> [@Say something that is true to a person in 1985 that will make you sound like a crazy person](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/say-something-that-is-true-to-a-person-in-1985-that-will-make-you-sound-like-a-crazy-person/968283/125): > > Oh, come on. I was avoiding the political, but that characterization is ridiculous. This is what people from 1985 would be really shocked about: Four Star Admiral and Assistant Secretary of Health is a trans man. The Secretary of Transportation is a gay man who took time off to have a child with his husband. ‘Drag time story hour for children’ is a thing. Gender transition for minors is a thing. Not only did the military accept gays, it also accepts trans people - even encourages gay a… ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/836 "2023-07-20T14:03:57Z")
That just looks like a mistake to me. Those gender issues can be confusing to people who aren’t very involved and don’t know any out trans folks. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/837 "2023-07-20T14:07:18Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > That just looks like a mistake to me. > [@Is the real Bud Light problem that the right is now insulted because they have been identified as having 'the gay'?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-real-bud-light-problem-that-the-right-is-now-insulted-because-they-have-been-identified-as-having-the-gay/986372/55): > > Moderating: Sure. Two moms and an apple pie that identifies as pecan. We’re all good. I’d like to remind you And Sam, your post is clearly contemptuous of trans people, and implies that it’s appropriate to misgender them. This is not a part of civil discourse. Don’t do it again. Does that still look like a mistake? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/838 "2023-07-20T14:15:13Z")
In general, people get a lot of benefit of the doubt around here Sam burned through all his benefit years ago ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/839 "2023-07-20T14:20:30Z")
And don’t forget it is because we’re mean and a bunch of poopyheads, and has nothing to do with his legacy of bad posting behavior. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/840 "2023-07-20T14:24:44Z")
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