# A serious question for Sam Stone on Factual Errors **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881 "2021-12-11T12:32:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1041 "2023-09-20T00:47:30Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > shot from my backyard in the city: We’re they? I’m certainly not taking your word for it. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1042 "2023-09-20T00:50:52Z")
And a picture of my scope in the backyard: [![Imgur](https://i.imgur.com/rbrYob2.jpeg "imgur.com") ](https://imgur.com/rbrYob2) You don’t have to take my word for anything. No, you don’t know that that is my scope. I could by lying about all of it. Choose to believe me or choose to let politics ruin your ability for critical thinking. I don’t really care. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1043 "2023-09-20T00:54:20Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I don’t really care. Yeah, the slideshow makes it really, really, really, clear you aren’t desperate to not care… ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1044 "2023-09-20T00:56:48Z")
I’m confused, why did you post 3 pictures of Justin Bieber? ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1045 "2023-09-20T00:57:17Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Choose to believe me or choose to let politics ruin your ability for critical thinking. I don’t really care. Yes, it’s your _politics_ that the problem. Nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that you are a known liar and have been caught misrepresenting or flat out not bothering to read your own cites repeatedly. Everyone else are the ones with critical thinking problems, not you. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1046 "2023-09-20T01:13:18Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Those of you who have concluded he is not worth the trouble - why not just ignore him? Because he takes threads you are interested in and completely shits them up where they are no longer identifiable. It would be nice to ignore if he didn’t completely throw feces everywhere. I really enjoyed many threads during his hiatus that I wouldn’t have while he was here. And it’s happening again. This is limited to the political, climate change, and other topics folks have identified. He’s good in things about John Prine and a couple other topics. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1047 "2023-09-20T01:36:55Z")
Can you bounce a ball on your nose like the sea lions at the zoo, too? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1048 "2023-09-20T01:38:09Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Those of you who have concluded he is not worth the trouble - why not just ignore him? Yeah, we really should go from _Fighting ignorance since 1973. (It’s taking longer than we thought.)_ to _Ignoring ignorance since 2023. (It’s more effort than we thought.)_ AmIRight??? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1049 "2023-09-20T01:49:28Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Choose to believe me or choose to let politics ruin your ability for critical thinking. Not taking a demonstrated serial liar at face value is not generally considered a failure if critical thinking. Just the opposite, really - when someone lies as often and as easily as you do, the rational response is not to trust them on any subject, ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1050 "2023-09-20T01:55:46Z")
Just keep smearing. Apparently you want to turn ‘reprehensible’ up to the max. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1051 "2023-09-20T02:12:24Z")
The truth is not a smear, Sam, although given your highly casual relationship with truth, I’m not surprised you’re unaware of that. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1052 "2023-09-20T02:41:54Z")
Another admission as to why you post crap here. If you get even more reprehensible you have only yourself to blame. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1053 "2023-09-20T04:03:02Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I gave **Sam** credit for coming around on climate science I’ll go even further than that, and declare that for at least twenty years I have not seen any evidence on these boards that Sam\_Stone is an actual denier or anti-science “skeptic” regarding the essential facts of climate change. Here, for example, is an observation that [he posted back in November 2003:](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-global-warming-actually-be-good-for-mankind/212072/8) > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Global Warming probably won’t create a more ‘benign’ planet - the added energy in the system will probably make the weather more energetic. Bigger storms, stronger winds, etc. > > However, I believe the consensus is that overall, global warming would be a net financial benefit for increases below about 2 degrees. At those levels, it manifests itself in the northern lattitudes in the form of more moderate nighttime temperatures (causing a reducting in heating costs), and longer growing seasons. Plus, the agricultural belt would expand a little more northward, opening up more land for farming. > > But pretty much any amount of warming will hurt the poor equatorial countries, and they are the ones that are least likely to to be able to afford it (and have the least responsibility for creating it). That was perhaps a somewhat optimistic but not in any way denialist or irrational opinion to hold about anthropogenic climate change twenty years ago. And IMHO it doesn’t qualify as denialist or anti-science even now, although its level of optimism probably wouldn’t be considered justifiable nowadays. What I object to in many of Sam’s climate-science posts, as I explained in the post GIGObuster linked to above, is not a refusal to acknowledge the basic reality of climate-science findings, but rather his inadequately supported disparagement of certain scientific viewpoints just because they ping his personal “liberal ideology” meter. It’s not in any way “smearing” Sam to complain when he tries to present speculative anti-liberal wish-fulfillment as an honest methodological critique. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1054 "2023-09-20T06:23:55Z")
Here’s where I last remember calling Sam out in this thread. Or where that exchange started. If anyone wants context. > [@A serious question for Sam Stone on Factual Errors](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/630): > > And Sam is caught yet again in a blatant lie. @Sam_Stone how do you explain this? You claim… Yet you clearly said that you were referring to a specific case where employees were insulting their employer in public. You are not being bullied by people who disagree with your viewpoint. You are a serial liar on these boards and people are fed up with it. You not only have trouble with facts, you have trouble with honesty. So yeah, people on a forum devoted to fighting ignorance are going t… ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1055 "2023-09-20T06:41:40Z")
> [@"House to start an impeachment inquiry into President Biden"](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/227): > > It’s suppertime here. I’ll provide more info later. But you know, it’s all easily available out there. We must conclude that Sam is still busy chewing (aren’t Trump steaks the bestest?) since he’d never fail to support his claims and instead choose to fend off “the mean girls” in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1056 "2023-09-20T08:38:06Z")
We should apologize for holding Sam accountable for repeatedly lying in his posts. It is unreasonable to assume he is capable of ever arguing in good faith, given the substantial evidence that he is not. He and many other conservatives on this board in the past have made it very clear time and time again that they are not responsible for anything they say or do, no matter how dishonest, malign or hypocritical. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1057 "2023-09-20T12:15:47Z")
FFS, we should also apologize to the board’s dedicated centrists who believe it is our solemn duty to overlook some of these “occasional” 🙄 lapses in integrity in the interests of keeping a wide variety of posters around. I, for one, agree that we should strive harder to simply accept inveterate and pathological liars and trolls on the board for the Greater Good™ and apologize for my strident and perhaps even shrill insistence on bare minimum standards of fact-checking, truthfulness, personal integrity, and basic god-damned human decency /s ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1058 "2023-09-20T14:57:33Z")
I find the board was better when Sam was not posting. Every political thread he jumps into becomes actively worse. It is just him posting crap, and people pointing out (usually for the umpteenth time) that his post is crap. I have him blocked, and I’m definitely 100% not going to unblock him again, so in reality what I see is a bunch of hidden messages, and people proving the content in the hidden message is garbage. It lowers the quality of the threads. I’d love to see Sam get a P&E ban. He adds nothing to the conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1059 "2023-09-20T15:44:14Z")
This is just getting sad now. “Here are some actual true pictures, so therefore the crap I posted about Hunter Biden’s laptop and Joe Biden’s imaginary non-existent granddaughter are true.” Jesus. As has been said repeatedly, but it does not seem to penetrate: When you (Sam) post inaccurate and wrong “facts”, or citations that say the opposite of what you claim, it is not “picking on you” when this is pointed out. The first 20 times you did this, it was pointed out, over and over and over. After that (21st time - infinitum), people just get tired and irritated that you’re still doing it, and get upset and insulting. I’m starting to think that this is actually what you’re going for. You WANT the insults. This somehow makes you feel like a martyr or something, and you get off on it. Or whatever. You’re boring now. You’re just doing some kind of performance art at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1060 "2023-09-20T18:16:58Z")
I think he should stick that telescope up his ass and take some pictures of his brain for us. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881.md?page=54)