# A serious question for Sam Stone on Factual Errors **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881 "2021-12-11T12:32:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1061 "2023-09-20T18:45:13Z")
Now now, he’s been [unfailingly polite](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning#/media/File:%22The_Terrible_Sea_Lion%22._Wondermark_comic_strip_No._1062_by_David_Malki_(19_September_2014).png) and you people have been nothing but rude! I must go for dinner now. We will resume the discussion in an hour. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1062 "2023-09-20T18:50:27Z")
Nah. I believe the astronomy pictures. Sam’s not a pathological liar, who lies about trivial shit for fun. I knew one of them once. Well, either I knew one of them, or I knew a world-class mercenary and secret agent who was also the youngest person ever to fly a fighter jet at the age of fourteen. But I also don’t think he’s a deliberate liar, who knows the truth and deliberately says false things. At least, he doesn’t do that any more than most folks, in my experience. What he is, is a cavalier and ideological and petulant liar. When it comes to facts, he’ll say shit without any level of skepticism, if it supports his prevailing ideology. When it comes to cites, he’ll cite shit with only the most cursory of glimpses to see whether it backs him up or not. When he gets called on it, he gets snitty and snooty, simultaneously insisting that the cite he misrepresented still backs him up, and that people are being mean for calling him on his misbehavior. His space pictures are lovely and don’t offer any support to his ideological position, and lying about them would be very deliberate. That’s not who he is. But if he tells you Elon Musk knows something about space engines and cites it, you better read the cite yourself. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1063 "2023-09-20T20:13:28Z")
Pictures of telescopes are the “picture of my ACT score” of 2023. Delightful! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1064 "2023-09-20T21:31:09Z")
In that case we need to find some meme pictures to match to Sam quotes, ala Slacker and The Office. My initial thought is Cliff Clavin from Cheers – always wrong, but always confident in his wrongness. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1065 "2023-09-20T23:07:46Z")
![](https://media.tenor.com/H6F-x9IjkK8AAAAC/news-radio-bill-mcneil.gif) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1066 "2023-09-20T23:50:20Z")
That’s a fantastic choice! One of the all time great TV blowhards. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1067 "2023-09-21T00:01:36Z")
Just waiting for Sam to start promoting Rocket Fuel! “DAAAAAAMN!” ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1068 "2023-10-19T22:28:37Z")
So Sam just dropped a ‘globalists are out to destroy our culture’ line in an MPSIMS (Factual question, but from…). Is that new for him? > The WEF is based on the proposition that the ‘elites’ of the world should be setting our goals and making plans for changing the world. It’s centralized planning and centralized industrial policy. They are globalists who want the world’s population to mix into a giant melting pot. > There really is an Agenda 2030 and other globalist plans for remaking the world. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1069 "2023-10-19T22:39:23Z")
And he jumped into a Pit thread with a concentrated dose of Dubious Veracity: > [@Hotel California Redux - Another 1979-like Right Wing Shift?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674/12): > > It seems to me that the _world_ is shifting to the right… The Netherlands forced their progressive leader to resign, as did New Zealand. Canada’s Conservatives now are projected to win more seats than all the other parties combined, by a wide margin. The latest elections in Europe have all brought right wing governments to power. In the U.S., Trump is polling ahead of Biden… has a left-wing government been elected anywhere in the world in the past two years? Thanks to people automatically fact-checking anything he writes, he did have most of his falsehoods pointed out to him (even I know that New Zealand didn’t “force their progressive leader to resign”). eta: Here was the quick reply… > [@Hotel California Redux - Another 1979-like Right Wing Shift?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674/64): > > I don’t see by what tortured logic you managed to twist Rutte’s ouster into any kind of alleged rejection of “progressivism” on the part of the Netherlands. > > Similarly, New Zealand did not in any way “force” Labour PM Jacinda Ardern (who is an actual progressive) to resign earlier this year; at the time of her spontaneous and voluntary resignation, she was still widely popular and projected to win the next election. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1070 "2023-10-19T22:41:25Z")
He is ignoring Poland and their recent election. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1071 "2023-10-19T22:45:46Z")
Remember, Sam can not be a right wing, Trumpist, conspiracy theorist, nutbag, piece of shit . . . because he’s Canadian! ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1072 "2023-10-19T22:53:52Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > globalists Last I checked that was code for “jews”. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1073 "2023-10-19T22:56:22Z")
To be fair . . . what isn’t with these folks? It’s not a dog-whistle when everyone that wants to can hear it. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1074 "2023-10-19T23:01:28Z")
As a Canadian, I can assure you that he is. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1075 "2023-10-19T23:34:29Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > > > globalists > > Last I checked that was code for “jews”. There’s that - but remember, Sammy is > [@Will Israel destroy Hamas](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277/215): > > I’m probably the most consistent supporter of Israel on this board, and have been since I showed up here 24 years ago. > [@Will Israel destroy Hamas](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-israel-destroy-hamas/991277/216): > > Impressive, considering that there are, you know, actual Israelis on this board and have been over the past 24 years. so he’s clearly not using it as code for Jews, at least not knowingly. > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > > They are globalists who want the world’s population to mix into a giant melting pot. > > > There really is an Agenda 2030 and other globalist plans for remaking the world. But then again, this is straight out of the Great Replacement Theory whereby the Jews I mean globalist elites are trying to wipe out the white race. I’d have thought great minds like Sammy’s arguing the evils of miscegenation went out of fashion in the 1970s at the latest, but no. [Great Replacement - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement) > The **Great Replacement** (French: _Grand Remplacement_ ), also known as **replacement theory** or **great replacement theory** ,[[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement#cite_note-1)[[2]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement#cite_note-Bowles-2)[[3]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement#cite_note-:8-3) is a [white nationalist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nationalism)[[4]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement#cite_note-:7-4) [far-right](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics) [conspiracy theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory)[[3]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement#cite_note-:8-3)[[5]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement#cite_note-taguieff71-5)[[6]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement#cite_note-Baldauf_2017-6)[[7]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement#cite_note-7) disseminated by French author [Renaud Camus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaud_Camus). The original theory states that, with the complicity or cooperation of “replacist” elites,[[a]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement#cite_note-transl-rempla-8)[[5]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement#cite_note-taguieff71-5)[[8]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement#cite_note-fourquet29-9) the ethnic French and white European populations at large are being demographically and culturally replaced with non-white peoples—especially from [Muslim](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam)-majority countries—through mass migration, demographic growth and a drop in the birth rate of white Europeans.[[5]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement#cite_note-taguieff71-5)[[9]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement#cite_note-Froio-10)[[10]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement#cite_note-:5-11) Since then, similar claims have been advanced in other national contexts, [notably in the United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement_in_the_United_States).[[11]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement#cite_note-12) Mainstream scholars have dismissed these claims as rooted in a misunderstanding of demographic statistics and premised upon an unscientific, racist worldview.[[12]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement#cite_note-Jenkins2017-13)[[13]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement#cite_note-14)[[14]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement#cite_note-:9-15) According to the _[Encyclopædia Britannica](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica)_ , the Great Replacement “has been widely ridiculed for its blatant absurdity.” ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1076 "2023-10-19T23:36:54Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > Last I checked that was code for “jews”. Yeah, and it barely qualifies as ‘code’ these days. That’s why I brought it here. > [@Dissonance](#): > > this is straight out of the Great Replacement Theory That’s exactly how I read it. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1077 "2023-10-19T23:42:44Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > so he’s clearly not using it as code for Jews, at least not knowingly. Perhaps he’s not using it knowingly but others he is no doubt parroting are. There’s a subset of nutters who are ‘for’ Israel but antisemitic as all heck. They want to immanentize the eschaton by supporting Israel thereby encouraging a global war, including literal Armageddon via battle on the actual plains of Megiddo. Some of them must be jumping with joy at the moment ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1078 "2023-10-20T00:00:09Z")
You people have gone insane. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1079 "2023-10-20T00:07:56Z")
I know, right? Only insane people wouldn’t acknowledge you as the greatest supporter of Israel, over and above actual Israelis. How dare they disagree with your feelings about their state and government! Clearly, they’re not true Israelis. I’m almost shocked you haven’t claimed the mantle of being more pro-American than anyone not Republican. Or sorry, more pro-American than even them. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1080 "2023-10-20T00:16:33Z")
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