# A serious question for Sam Stone on Factual Errors **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881 "2021-12-11T12:32:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 77
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2023, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1521 "2023-12-23T07:16:53Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Why mention Kamala Harris if that isn’t what he wants us to infer? Because he is trolling for a reaction. Rather desperately at this point ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2023, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1522 "2023-12-23T21:17:54Z")
So, known troll Sam Stone has now been called out for hijacking (repeatedly) the Future EV plans thread, and is making every effort to hijack, edge case, and goalpost move in the thread about Canada reducing gas-based vehicles. Can some of you who keep smashing your heads against the troll flag some of the egregious efforts so that ESPECIALLY in light of What Exit telling him to stop in the other thread, that we can start the process of getting him a topic ban and hopefully eventual mod acknowledgement that his behavior is actual trolling? Please? It’s all I want for my late Hanukah present! ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2023, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1523 "2023-12-23T21:32:32Z")
That’s a Christmas miracle I could get behind. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2023, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1524 "2023-12-23T21:45:59Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > So, known troll Sam Stone has now been called out for hijacking (repeatedly) the Future EV plans thread, and is making every effort to hijack, edge case, and goalpost move in the thread about Canada reducing gas-based vehicles. I asked a question about how RWD Teslas handle in the snow and got a lecture on RWD vs FWD and a threadshit about how snow tires will reduce the efficiency. Nothing that addressed my question, just another hijack. I let it go until he started another hijack when he responded to Puzzlegal’s post about PHEVs. His reply quickly segued into yet another hijack about how EVs (or PHEVs) won’t work in Canada. That’s when I reported him and the thread was split. So, yes, keep reporting as I have to assume until he ends up with a thread or topic (or site) ban, it’s just going to continue. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2023, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1525 "2023-12-23T22:03:23Z")
Sam getting a “More Trouble Than He’s Worth” ban truly would be a wonderful Christmas gift/miracle. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2023, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1526 "2023-12-23T22:04:21Z")
The mods might frown on deliberately baiting him. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2023, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1527 "2023-12-23T22:05:24Z")
You mean by posting something reasonable? ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2023, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1528 "2023-12-23T22:44:00Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The mods might frown on deliberately baiting him. If anyone is a master baiter, it’s Sam\_Stone with all of his factually bereft hijacks. _-snerk- I love the pit sometimes_ ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2023, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1529 "2023-12-23T23:34:33Z")
I’m still waiting for him to reply to my request for any facts to back up one of the most sexist/racist/partisan/petty/ignorant accusations I’ve seen here… > [@Hypothetical: Trump ineligible, who emerges?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-trump-ineligible-who-emerges/994954/60): > > > [@Hypothetical: Trump ineligible, who emerges?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-trump-ineligible-who-emerges/994954/60): > > > > Democrats go out of their way to promote women and minorities in office. It’s the only reason Kamala Harris is there. > > Do you have any facts to support the second half of this “fact”? Or is it just a gut feeling? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2023, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1530 "2023-12-24T00:25:10Z")
> [@digs](#): > > I’m still waiting for him to reply to my request for any facts to back up one of the most sexist/racist/partisan/petty/ignorant accusations I’ve seen here… If Harris had come out of nowhere to be added as VP then I’d say maybe there was a whiff of plausibility to the claim. After all, Sarah Palin was put on the ticket with McCain because she was a relatively young female former beauty queen. It wasn’t due to political qualifications or name recognition. She was governor of Alaska and seemed to come out of nowhere. Harris was one of the more prominent primary opponents before Biden gained the nomination and her progressive policies were a good contrast to his more centrist platform. Her race and gender were secondary to all that. I can understand thinking that she was picked for demographic reasons because she does check a number of boxes in a similar fashion as Palin before her, but you’d have to be extremely ignorant of everything that happened in the primary to draw such a conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2023, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1531 "2023-12-24T00:52:16Z")
Biden said well before his pick that he would choose a black woman. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2023, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1532 "2023-12-24T00:55:47Z")
Meh. Not worth my time. ---
**Author:** ![Arjuna34](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Arjuna34](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arjuna34)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2023, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1533 "2023-12-24T01:11:37Z")
Biden did not say that. He said: > “If I’m elected president, my — my cabinet, my administration will look like the country,” Biden said in response to a question about how a Biden administration would handle women’s issues. “And I commit that I will, in fact, appoint a — I’ll pick a woman to be vice president. There are a number of women who are qualified to be president tomorrow. I would pick a woman to be my vice president.” Cite: > **[False Ad About Biden's VP Pick - FactCheck.org](https://www.factcheck.org/2020/08/false-ad-about-bidens-vp-pick/)** > > A Republican TV ad targeted at Latino voters in large cities falsely claimed that Joe Biden "promised his party an African American Vice President. Not a Latino." ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2023, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1534 "2023-12-24T01:13:56Z")
Cite? Closest I can find is this: > **[Biden says four Black women are on his VP list but won't commit to choosing one](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1234422)** > > If elected, Biden, 77, would be the oldest president-elect, which has put an intense focus on his pick for a running mate. > Biden told MSNBC’s Joy Reid on the premiere of her prime-time show, “[The ReidOut](https://www.msnbc.com/reidout),” however, that he would not guarantee that a Black woman will be his running mate. > > “I am not committed to naming any but the people I’ve named, and among them are four Black women,” Biden said. Now, it’s true that he was **pressured** to pick a Black woman, and that undoubtedly influenced his decision. > **[Joe Biden pressed again to name a Black woman as his running mate](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/joe-biden-pressed-again-to-name-a-black-woman-as-his-running-mate/2020/08/10/d383d786-db2d-11ea-8051-d5f887d73381_story.html)** > > The pressure escalated as Biden closed in on a public announcement of his choice as vice presidential nominee. But to say he only considered a Black woman is not backed up by his public statements, and he never said he was limiting his choice to Black women. In fact, he said the opposite. I’ll give you credit for being close at least, and I really don’t blame you for misremembering (seriously, I really don’t), but it’s not accurate to say he either announced ahead of time that his VP would only be a Black woman, or that she was chosen solely for demographics. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2023, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1535 "2023-12-24T01:14:42Z")
Don’t worry, Sam will only repeat this “error” 97 more times. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2023, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1536 "2023-12-24T01:23:50Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Biden said well before his pick that he would choose a black woman. Now that you know for certain that it isn’t true, will you be apologizing…like you said you do when you make mistakes? ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2023, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1537 "2023-12-24T01:46:53Z")
Thanks for “being specific”. I’m sure he’ll be by to _own up to it._ > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > If you want me to respond, you are going to have to point out one of my factual errors. Be specific. > > I do make them, just like everyone else, and unlike many here when I agree that I made an error I own up to it. I’m just going to wait over here… don’t worry, I brought a book and some knitting. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2023, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1538 "2023-12-24T02:12:03Z")
Maybe you just need to @Sam_Stone him… ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2023, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1539 "2023-12-24T02:19:39Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > So, yes, keep reporting as I have to assume until he ends up with a thread or topic (or site) ban, it’s just going to continue. The thing is, the EV edge cases he’s blathering on about have been addressed over and over and over again in multiple threads spanning years. Yet he still goes to the well with the same garbage. You’d think that everyone in Alberta drives a massive truck 500km to a workplace with no electricity. In the snow. Uphill both ways. You’d think that every EV requires 80 amp service in your house. It does not. He’s been told this over and over and over for years. Yet its back to the well with the same crap. He knows that he’s pushing bullshit edge cases. He keeps doing it over and over and over. He either has the memory of a goldfish, or is trolling. Pick one. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2023, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1540 "2023-12-24T02:44:37Z")
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