# A serious question for Sam Stone on Factual Errors **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881 "2021-12-11T12:32:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 88
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1741 "2024-01-17T20:42:48Z")
How about a cite for your latest laptop lie? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1742 "2024-01-17T20:51:59Z")
What was my lie again? That there were things of significance on the laptop? I think I’ll stick by that, thanks. And I’m not getting sucked into the gish-galloping nonsense trying to divert away from your original ridiculous assertion that there was absolutely nothing of significance on the laptop. Will you admit that you were wrong about that? Or will you just keep inventing creative new definitions for ‘significant’? ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1743 "2024-01-17T20:57:04Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > What was my lie again? That there were things of significance on the laptop? No, it was your assertion that the “things” were significant by definition since they were being used in multiple Federal cases. You were asked for cites that the photos (or anything from the laptop) were elements in any Federal case. And I’ll repeat, it would be really sad if you reference the House investigation. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1744 "2024-01-17T20:58:48Z")
I enjoy people calling me a liar and other names with no rebuttal even less. Hey, do you want to prove whether I enjoy this or not? Stop pitting me. When I’m not being dragged through the pit this board is much calmer, because I never start this shit, because I really don’t enjoy it. The first 15 years or so that I was here I think I got pitted maybe once or twice. Now it’s every freaking day. And then people cry that they want me gone because it’s just SO distracting. Here’s a hint: Stop hitting yourself. You stop picking fights with me, and there won’t be any fighting. Because I don’t start this stuff. I’m just trying to enjoy socializing like everyone else. There are people on this board doing their best to ‘deplatform’ any voices critical of Democrats. They repeat the party line as fact, call you a liar if you don’t agree, pile on in pit threads, etc. If they succeed on getting me off this board, the next most conservative poster will become the target. And they’ll continue until this board no longer has an ‘problematic’ opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1745 "2024-01-17T21:04:46Z")
There’s a lot to unpack there, but I definitely love the claim that the tone of the entire board hinges on how mean people are being to Sam at any given moment. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1746 "2024-01-17T21:05:04Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The first 15 years or so that I was here I think I got pitted maybe once or twice. Bullshit. Do you think this is hard to find? > [@Another Swiftie lie gets shot down (this one's for you, Sam Stone)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-swiftie-lie-gets-shot-down-this-ones-for-you-sam-stone/267273): > > One of the Swifties’ favorite allegations has been that the shrapnel in John Kerry’s ass was rice, not metal. They have been yelling that he did not deserve his third Purple Heart because according to them, he was wounded in the ass before the incident (in which he turned his boat into live fire to save the life of a Green Beret who had fallen overboard. He was awarded the Bronze Star) when he blew up some caches of rice. Our own Sam Stone has been quite fond of denigrating this particular war … > [@Reading comprehension with Sam Stone, or: What did John Kerry really say?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reading-comprehension-with-sam-stone-or-what-did-john-kerry-really-say/268028): > > In the pit thread [Another Swiftie lie gets shot down (this one’s for you Sam Stone)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=278894&page=1&pp=50) I was a bit surprised to see [Sam](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5325491&postcount=103) making this assertion: I thought: Wow! Saying that the whole US Army in vietnam was like the army of Genghis Khan, that sounds pretty shrill! Did Kerry really say that? So I tried google, and [searched](http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=%22like+the+army+of+Genghis+Khan%22&meta=) for that little quoted sement of Sam Stones. I got seven hits, five of them reprinting an open letter by Swiftie extraordinaire John O’Neill. So I tweaked my search some and foun… > [@Sam Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone/332667): > > From [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=346400) in Great Debates: Not all the people who live on them; only those whose tub-thumping caveman politics haven’t progressed since William Aberhart and his women-should-be-pregnant-and-barefoot-and-chained-to-the-stove oxymoronic Social Credit psychopathy. They don’t have to demonize the opposition. The opposition does the job fine on its own. Yes it is. Its only other natural resource is its never-ending supply of white supremacists who used to be teachers but now fix flats a… > [@Sam Stone - Why do you hate America?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037): > > Seriously - Why do you hate America? You’re a Canadian with no dog in the fight yet rant like you fear Hussein’s secret muslim storm troopers are going to kick in your door, hyperinflate your savings and start waterboarding the moment you land in Guantanamo. This ain’t about infringing your right to airing an opinion (asinine or otherwise) but you’re so \*serious \*about politics in a country you don’t even live in. [It is getting really tiresome with you posting some patently obvious partisan pol…](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=576238) > [@Is it a Sam Stone economic prediction? Then it's guaranteed to be wrong.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-a-sam-stone-economic-prediction-then-its-guaranteed-to-be-wrong/594191): > > I saw a news story today that reminded me of a discussion here at the SDMB. Rather than re-open a two year old thread, and because this is more of a point regarding Sam Stone’s predictions generally, I thought it best to put it here in the pit. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11201462&postcount=16](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11201462&postcount=16) Bolding mine. Oh really? [http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011\_08/its\_a\_good\_thing\_obama\_saved\_t031808.php](http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_08/its_a_good_thing_obama_saved_t031808.php) The link above is to Steve Benen at the Washington… > [@Thank you, Sam Stone!](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thank-you-sam-stone/259161): > > In reference to [this thread…](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=269680&page=1&pp=50) I’d just like to briefly thank Sam Stone for providing me with countless hours of entertainment. Watching Sam cling desperately to the Swifties’ account of events – despite the total lack of evidence for their claims, and the preponderence of evidence against them – is the kind of tenacity you only get with the truly zealous. His mind’s hammered shut so hard, the Branch Davidians could take tips from him. Such devotion would almost be considered admirable, if the… That last one is the earliest I found without spending more than 30 seconds poking around, but I found it amusing that he was pitted for literally the exact same thing as always. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1747 "2024-01-17T21:05:39Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Hey, do you want to prove whether I enjoy this or not? Stop pitting me. Stop lying all the time, and the amount of time you get pitted will go waaaaay down. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1748 "2024-01-17T21:05:46Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > There are people on this board doing their best to ‘deplatform’ any voices critical of Democrats. They repeat the party line as fact, call you a liar if you don’t agree, pile on in pit threads, etc. If they succeed on getting me off this board, the next most conservative poster will become the target. And they’ll continue until this board no longer has an ‘problematic’ opinions. [![](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQzilJ1xc9U_yDxfUVS3PPFVgk0q9aiXWcI3LnnUAYtZg&s) ](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQzilJ1xc9U_yDxfUVS3PPFVgk0q9aiXWcI3LnnUAYtZg&s) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1749 "2024-01-17T21:07:37Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > What was my lie again? That there were things of significance on the laptop? I think I’ll stick by that, thanks. That’s wrong, but perhaps it’s not a lie if you think dick pics and drug use by a publicly known drug user are “significant” (and apparently you do, but you do you). The lie is that multiple federal cases are using evidence from the laptop. You haven’t even tried to support that one. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1750 "2024-01-17T21:11:52Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I enjoy people calling me a liar and other names with no rebuttal even less. You know, there’s a real easy fix for that. Stop lying. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1751 "2024-01-17T21:12:40Z")
Here you go: > **[Biden Family Investigation - United States House Committee on Oversight and...](https://oversight.house.gov/landing/biden-family-investigation/#:~:text=Key%20Evidence%3A&text=Oversight%20Committee%20report%20revealing%20the,Findings%20from%20the%20IRS%20Whistleblowers)** > > United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability You’ll find Hunter’s laptopp referenced multiple times in multiple documents. For example: > **[Interim-Staff-Report-A-President-Compromised-The-Biden-Family-Investigation-1.pdf](https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Interim-Staff-Report-A-President-Compromised-The-Biden-Family-Investigation-1.pdf)** > > 4.79 MB There is no proof of guilt here, especially for Joe Biden. What there is, however, is evidence warranting an investigation. That makes the laptop significant. This is just one document. There are many, I also showed that material from the laptop was entered as evidence in the gun charge case. Again, the proposition I am refuting is that ‘absolutely nothing of significance’ was on the laptop. The fact that multiple pieces of evidence from the laptop are being used in multiple investigations is all I need to demonstrate to show that the laptop was significant. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1752 "2024-01-17T21:15:13Z")
Let’s cut to the chase. Tell me what you think my worst lie is. Let’s not debate vague ‘patterns of lies’. Give me the worst one. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1753 "2024-01-17T21:15:34Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > And I’ll repeat, it would be really sad if you reference the House investigation. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/CdqMZ_s7Y6k/maxresdefault.jpg "Curb Your Enthusiasm - Larry David - Credits - Meme Source") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdqMZ_s7Y6k) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1754 "2024-01-17T21:16:20Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Bullshit. Do you think this is hard to find? Just for the sake of completionism, you missed a couple. > [@Hi, Sam Stone! -- I Pit the Blathering Bullshit about Stock Market movements](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-sam-stone-i-pit-the-blathering-bullshit-about-stock-market-movements/811706): > > To start with, I will not predict where the U.S. stock market will be two years from now. The headlines could say “Worst Bear Market since 1931.” Or they could say “Stocks Unstoppable. Million-point DJIA predicted!” I don’t pretend to have an opinion on this worth more than that of a random ouija board. One thing is clear, however. While 99% of stock market moves have nothing whatsoever to do with the identity of who’s plopping turds in the Oval Office, the recent downward blip is directly … > [@Sam Stone - in your humble opinion](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-in-your-humble-opinion/488827): > > Hey Sam, I’m sticking this in the IMHO to get your humble opinion. Seriously, I am just plain curious what makes you tick? You’re a Canadian citizen but one of the most vocal right wing political supporters on these boards. You think Sarah Palin is the greatest thing since sliced bread with a recent example [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=509451)although there were a lot more ergrarious examples during her campaign for President. You toe the line on right wing Republican economic views (eg only targeted tax cuts do any economic… Now that first one is from 2018, so I don’t know if it counts as part of the Dope’s honeymoon period where he only got pitted seven or eight times, or if it’s in our “We Suddenly Have a Problem With Sam Even Though We’ve Always Had a Problem With Sam” phase. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1755 "2024-01-17T21:17:08Z")
That’s not “multiple federal cases”, that’s the entirely dishonest, repeatedly lying GOP House committee sham investigation (which isn’t even a single “federal case”). Repeating someone else’s lie is still a lie, and you’ve repeated their lies over and over again. And over and over again, we’ve shown those lies to be lies with clear cites. The GOP House committee has gathered a bunch of documents and then lied publicly about them, over and over again. The documents don’t say what they say they do, despite your repeating their lies. So your “multiple federal cases” remains a lie. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1756 "2024-01-17T21:18:10Z")
Okay, six times. It’s been a long time. Whatever. I get pitted every day now. Now I suppose you’ll spend an hour researching to find a day that I wasn’t pitted so you can call me a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1757 "2024-01-17T21:18:23Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Let’s cut to the chase. Tell me what you think my worst lie is. Let’s not debate vague ‘patterns of lies’. Give me the worst one. So many to choose from, hmm, what a tough question. Oh wait, no, the answer is pretty obvious. It’s your constant lying by claiming that you’ve never lied. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1758 "2024-01-17T21:20:07Z")
The lie that sticks out in my mind is how you promised to come back to the silly Trump tweet thread and say “I’m a big weenie” if it turns out Trump’s poop-tweet about declassifying documents turned out to be nothing. You never did come back and fulfill your promise… because it was a lie. And a pretty silly thing to lie about! I think only someone who has no problem lying all the time would lie about something so silly. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1759 "2024-01-17T21:20:44Z")
You don’t get to decide that the freaking House Oversight Committee is just a bunch of liars and don’t count for anything. The fact is, that’s a federal investigation. The gun charge is a federal investigation. Both refer to evidence from the laptop. You are the one who is obviously lying here. Stop it. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1760 "2024-01-17T21:21:15Z")
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