# A serious question for Sam Stone on Factual Errors **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881 "2021-12-11T12:32:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 89
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1761 "2024-01-17T21:22:14Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The gun charge is a federal investigation. Both refer to evidence from the laptop. Cite please. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1762 "2024-01-17T21:22:52Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > You don’t get to decide that the freaking House Oversight Committee is just a bunch of liars and don’t count for anything. It was all the lies that showed they were a bunch of liars. All the lies that have been cited over and over again. Lies make the liars. I didn’t make them lie (and I didn’t make you repeat their lies) – that’s the choice of the liars. > [@](#): > > The gun charge is a federal investigation. Both refer to evidence from the laptop. Cite for this, please (assuming it’s not another lie). ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1763 "2024-01-17T21:22:58Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Just for the sake of completionism, you missed a couple. I was just going for those in the first 15 years. Also, I find it funny that his first pit (that I saw, I just searched titles for his name) was by Dio. How the hell do you get pitted by Dio? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1764 "2024-01-17T21:23:39Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > You don’t get to decide that the freaking House Oversight Committee is just a bunch of liars and don’t count for anything. > > The fact is, that’s a federal investigation. The gun charge is a federal investigation. Both refer to evidence from the laptop. You said federal cases. Anyway, yes, we do get to _observe_ that the House Committee is buffoonery pure and simple. It’s an objective reality, and I don’t even think the Republicans on the committee would say otherwise if you bought them a beer. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1765 "2024-01-17T21:38:03Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The lie that sticks out in my mind is how you promised to come back to the silly Trump tweet thread and say “I’m a big weenie” if it turns out Trump’s poop-tweet about declassifying documents turned out to be nothing. You never did come back and fulfill your promise… because it was a lie. Oh yeah, the thread where people just kept taking inappropriate shots at me until the mod had to warn them. I seem to recall that I did admit that, but not in that thread - probably the pit thread where I kept getting hassled about it. In any event, that’s a good example of a comment that I made in the hope of a reasonable debate that turned into a giant pitting that was way over the top. Also, the title of the pit thread about that itself was a lie that no one ever apologized for, something like “Sam Stone Believes Trump Tweets” despite the fact that I have repeatedly said that I think Trump is a liar, but in that one case it seemed so easily checkable that he wouldn’t do it. I was wrong about that, but ever since I have been smeared as a Trump lover and how I uncritically believe everything he says. Those are bigger lies than anything I’ve been accused of on this board. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1766 "2024-01-17T21:38:49Z")
I already did, in this thread. I’m not doing it again. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1767 "2024-01-17T21:40:08Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > You said federal cases. > > Anyway, yes, we do get to _observe_ that the House Committee is buffoonery pure and simple. It’s an objective reality, and I don’t even think the Republicans on the committee would say otherwise if you bought them a beer. You are free to assume what you want about them. What you aren’t free to do is call someone a liar when the plain facts they stated are true, but you don’t like them. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1768 "2024-01-17T21:41:06Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I already did, in this thread. I’m not doing it again. No you didn’t! Another lie. And so easy to check! ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1769 "2024-01-17T21:42:46Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I already did, in this thread. I’m not doing it again. Liar. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1770 "2024-01-17T21:45:22Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No you didn’t! Another lie. And so easy to check! It really is easy to check. I just did. The first post 19 hours ago referenced the gun case and unspecified information from the laptop entered into evidence. The second was the House Oversight Committee, along with a sample document that references the laptop evidence. You are lying. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1771 "2024-01-17T21:48:30Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The first post 19 hours ago referenced the gun case and unspecified information from the laptop entered into evidence. There has been no trial, and therefore nothing has been “entered into evidence.” ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1772 "2024-01-17T21:53:12Z")
It occurs to me that @Sam_Stone is right. He is attacked on this board because of his politics, but not for the reason he imagines. The right has become completely detached from reality, so they have no choice but to lie, and they (Sam in this case) are getting called out on the really obvious lies. The only thing that is somewhat remarkable is that somebody possibly as (somewhat) intelligent as Sam could keep falling for the lies. We know he isn’t a complete moron from the non-political threads. And that’s why I started this read in the first place. It is remarkable to me that Sam can be shown to be factually wrong time and time and time again, and yet he keeps returning to the poisoned information sources that lied to him the first time. Oh well. Whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1773 "2024-01-17T21:54:39Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > There has been no trial, and therefore nothing has been “entered into evidence.” > [@](#): > > In a third filing Tuesday, prosecutors said they have provided over 1.2 million pages of documents that they intend to use in the case, as well as “additional electronic evidence from the defendant’s Apple iCloud account **and a copy of data from the defendant’s laptop.”** Bolding mine. If I got the terminology wrong, what would you call it? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1774 "2024-01-17T21:55:43Z")
What do you think is my most obvious ‘lie’? ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1775 "2024-01-17T21:57:51Z")
I think we already covered this one Sammy. The fact that you use the word lie in ‘quotes’ pretty much demonstrates your most obvious lie. Sorry, ‘lie’. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1776 "2024-01-17T21:58:58Z")
You said “multiple federal cases”. Did you really mean one entirely baseless and dishonest political witch-hunt by the GOP House and one federal gun case that has yet to go to trial and only very vaguely mentioned data on the laptop (which has been otherwise referenced as “duplicative” of other evidence already obtained)? If that’s what you mean, then I’ll retract the accusation of a lie in this specific case. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1777 "2024-01-17T22:00:08Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > If I got the terminology wrong, what would you call it? It _could_ be called “evidence,” but not “entered into evidence,” which happens at trial. This is like evidence police collect at a crime scene. I’d just say “documents.” Something smells fishy about your quote, as it simply isn’t feasible to use 1.2 **million** documents in a relatively minor criminal trial. And it wouldn’t be necessary. If you can’t prove your case with 100,000 pages of documents, you don’t have a case. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1778 "2024-01-17T22:00:42Z")
How about these lies, @Sam_Stone: > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Just for the record, here’s a handful of Sam’s lies or otherwise false statements (there are many, many more): > > Here he lies/misstates about something Biden said about the fatal accident of his family: [Does POTUS Biden believe that he's the smartest in the room? - #77 by Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-potus-biden-believe-that-hes-the-smartest-in-the-room/958330/77) > > Post #78 demonstrates he lied/misstated about something Biden said about Iraq, and in post #82 Sam makes a very rare admission of a mistake he made about Biden’s academic record. Amusing to see so many false statements when Sam is trying to demonstrate that Biden is dishonest. > > In this thread Sam repeats lies from the Comer GOP committee about the Bidens’ finances: ["House to start an impeachment inquiry into President Biden" - #178 by iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/178) > > Post 190 in that thread identifies some of the specific lies Sam spread – in particular a bizarre one about a nonexistent Biden granddaughter. > > Here’s an infamous one in which, of all things, Sam _accepts a Trump tweet as somehow official government policy_: [Donald Trump Declassifies all Documents Related to Russia/Collusion and Hillary Emails](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448) > > I don’t know if that’s dishonest or just unbelievable, pathetic credulousness, but it’s amusing nonetheless. Sam has never admitted how dumb he was for this one. He even promises to come back to the thread and say he was a big weenie if he’s shown to be wrong… and never does. So that promise was DEFINITELY a lie: [Donald Trump Declassifies all Documents Related to Russia/Collusion and Hillary Emails - #71 by Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-declassifies-all-documents-related-to-russia-collusion-and-hillary-emails/922448/71) ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1779 "2024-01-17T22:44:33Z")
We really have ladies and gentlemen of leisure on this message board! Another 68 posts during my workday. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881/1780 "2024-01-17T22:46:14Z")
Joey with the damn receipts! Holy shit, Sammy, you are one tenacious little bitch. But we do make it worth it for you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881.md?page=88) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-serious-question-for-sam-stone-on-factual-errors/955881.md?page=90)