# A simple question for Trump supporters **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 3, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213 "2019-10-03T17:21:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/221 "2019-10-08T19:17:32Z")
OK, so answer the question. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/222 "2019-10-08T19:24:40Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > What Trump was/ and **may very well be again** is the lesser of two evils and that is just as much YOUR fault as it is conservatives [my emphasis] Trump is a misogynist, an accused child rapist. He is a fraudster, liar, criminal and now, it’s becoming clear, a traitor. He is a sociopathic narcissist, behaves like a spoiled 10-year old brat, and has no intellect — the most complicated issues have to be distilled into 1-page memos for him and even then he won’t read them unless his name is repeated often. Racism, and violent attacks against blacks, Muslims, and immigrants have risen sharply under Trump’s leadership. The closest advisers that Trump hand-picked have largely deserted him. Cohen the bag man has turned his back, Scaramucci and other right-wingers now condemn Trump, some R’s are even calling for impeachment. Even Bannon jumped off. Our allies are jumping away; Putin is more credible than Trump. The U.S. has suffered hugely in world standing. Trump is adding trillions to the national debt. But Hillary looked the other way when hubby got a blow job; then wanted poor children to have healthcare. _ **You were forced to vote for Trump.** _ Got it. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/223 "2019-10-08T19:44:55Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > The main problem with questions such as these is simple. There are very FEW Trump supporters on this board. Few who will still admit it in public, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/224 "2019-10-08T19:49:49Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Joel? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/225 "2019-10-08T19:51:02Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Jesus. Were you actually crying when you typed this? Not quite as much as the authors of the billion posts in the 3293939 threads about Trump and with 0 screams at the sky. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/226 "2019-10-08T19:56:49Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Trumpists are, far and away, the most politically sensitive people I’ve seen in modern political discourse. No other large cohort of voters in a Western country in my lifetime are so emotionally fragile. Campus activists are pretty damn bad, but I’m not sure a group one is only a part of for a few years, and in a specific setting, is the same thing. > > That said, unsurprisingly, the question remains unanswered. Trumpists never admit where the line is. They never have and never will, so don’t ask. A more relevant question is why that is. > > The answer is simple; the line isn’t in front of us. Decent people assume that Trumpists perceive Trump as a capable President who is running a presidential administration and that, if Trump does things that are sufficiently bad according to the law and common decency, at some point they will decide he has done too many bad things and will not support him. That isn’t the point, though, and it’s not how they think. Trumpists DON’T want Trump to be a normal President doing presidential things; they want him to be a dictator doing terrible things to people they don’t like. If Trump cheats to win the 2020 election, that isn’t a bad thing to Trumpists. If he has immigrants shot without trial, that isn’t a bad thing to them. They don’t see Trump as being on a scale of “increasingly unacceptable things” that he’s at about 85 out of 100 on, or any number out of 100. To them his escalation of disregard for the Constitution and civilized behaviour is entirely terrific and they want more of it. That’s pure nonsense. I know a lot of Trump voters and not one is wishing for violence or a dictator. You know, the last time I was in Victoria a woman from China was saying she liked Trump and that he had a point about too much immigration. She was complaining about housing prices in BC due to recent Chinese buyers. It’s an anecdote but she didn’t want anyone shot and she sure the hell wasnt a white nationalist. What does your ridiculous hyperbole accomplish? ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/227 "2019-10-08T19:56:53Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > OK, so answer the question. I was informed that my input about said question was irrelevant since I am not a Trumpist. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/228 "2019-10-08T19:58:18Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I find it infinitely amusing that the terms bandied around by MAGAminion like: **TDS** and **Presidential Harassment** are so much more applicable to those trying to use them as insults. > > I mean, what else would you call a cult like following of Trump if not _Trump Derangement Syndrome_. Similarly, every single tweet and utterance by the Orange AssClown is nothing but _Presidential Harassment_ of whomever he is targeting in that moment. > > Tell me you recognize this irony in this profound baffoonery of the MAGA-cult and its dear leader. Republicans suffer from Clinton Derangement Syndrome. Soon to be Warren Derangement Syndrome. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/229 "2019-10-08T20:02:09Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Trump is a misogynist, an accused child rapist. He is a fraudster, liar, criminal and now, it’s becoming clear, a traitor. He is a sociopathic narcissist, behaves like a spoiled 10-year old brat, and has no intellect — the most complicated issues have to be distilled into 1-page memos for him and even then he won’t read them unless his name is repeated often. Racism, and violent attacks against blacks, Muslims, and immigrants have risen sharply under Trump’s leadership. > > The closest advisers that Trump hand-picked have largely deserted him. Cohen the bag man has turned his back, Scaramucci and other right-wingers now condemn Trump, some R’s are even calling for impeachment. Even Bannon jumped off. Our allies are jumping away; Putin is more credible than Trump. The U.S. has suffered hugely in world standing. Trump is adding trillions to the national debt. > > But Hillary looked the other way when hubby got a blow job; then wanted poor children to have healthcare. _ **You were forced to vote for Trump.** _ Got it. No one forced me to do anything, correct. What I would not have done is vote for someone morally bankrupt (like Hillary, or in this very case Trump) but it seems to be a common theme here that any one or any view that differs from the hive mind (that is profusely argued against being) results in that very knee jerk reaction. Quite a few of you guys need some serious introspection as to why people who may have differing views from you but would ultimately be pretty decent people. When you vilify the whole class of Republicans or Conservatives, as is done here often. You might not get the results that you wish for! Imagine that?! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/230 "2019-10-08T20:04:53Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > My position? Don’t blame me for anything Trump has done; this is what you pushed us to. Will you accept this excuse when your side loses? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/231 "2019-10-08T20:08:51Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > No one forced me to do anything, correct. What I would not have done is vote for someone morally bankrupt (like Hillary, or in this very case Trump) but it seems to be a common theme here that any one or any view that differs from the hive mind (that is profusely argued against being) results in that very knee jerk reaction. > > Quite a few of you guys need some serious introspection as to why people who may have differing views from you but would ultimately be pretty decent people. When you vilify the whole class of Republicans or Conservatives, as is done here often. You might not get the results that you wish for! Imagine that?! WAHHHHHH!!! I’ll believe you are on the fence when it comes to Trump when you start whining about how Trumpettes treat the left. Take your fence-sitting act elsewhere. By the way, that “hive-mind” crap is stale. You might want to see if any fresher talking points are available. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/232 "2019-10-08T20:11:39Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > I was informed that my input about said question was irrelevant since I am not a Trumpist. And yet here you are, still defending that ass in chief. If you haven’t got the guts to say you support him, fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/233 "2019-10-08T20:14:01Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Few who will still admit it in public, anyway. We seem to have a bunch of “I’m on the fence…but you Dems sure do treat [del]us[/del] them Trump followers bad” types, though. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/234 "2019-10-08T20:20:11Z")
Along with the usual “Well both sides are bad so whatcha gonna do?” I guess you just have to agree with them. Jaywalking and armed robbery ARE both against the law. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/235 "2019-10-08T20:20:51Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > We seem to have a bunch of “I’m on the fence…but you Dems sure do treat [del]us[/del] them Trump followers bad” types, though. :rolleyes: Which is very much the actual case … that you seem to not be able to believe. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/236 "2019-10-08T20:24:31Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > Which is very much the actual case … that you seem to not be able to believe. Come back when you can tell the truth, trumptroll. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/237 "2019-10-08T20:30:10Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > Which is very much the actual case … that you seem to not be able to believe. Are you aware of the horrible and disgusting way that much of the Right treats those of us on the left online? Why aren’t you concerned about that just as much? Memes about AOC getting raped, claims that the left wants babies to be murdered, that we hate America and want to destroy it? Does that cause you to feel the same way, or is it only one direction of meanness that you are upset about? ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/238 "2019-10-08T20:46:16Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Are you aware of the horrible and disgusting way that much of the Right treats those of us on the left online? Why aren’t you concerned about that just as much? Memes about AOC getting raped, claims that the left wants babies to be murdered, that we hate America and want to destroy it? Does that cause you to feel the same way, or is it only one direction of meanness that you are upset about? Possibly because I am not them, don’t frequent boards like that. I am here, you are the ones doing whatever it is. Why on earth do you worry about what someone else does to someone else? If it happens to you on some other board, then ok you have some skin in that game on THAT board. But you do it here for simples reasons. You can get away with it and have your rants go unchecked because it is a like minded board. None of those things you list happen HERE ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/239 "2019-10-08T20:59:18Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > No one forced me to do anything, correct. What I would not have done is vote for someone morally bankrupt (like Hillary, or in this very case Trump) but it seems to be a common theme here that any one or any view that differs from the hive mind (that is profusely argued against being) results in that very knee jerk reaction. > > Quite a few of you guys need some serious introspection as to why people who may have differing views from you but would ultimately be pretty decent people. When you vilify the whole class of Republicans or Conservatives, as is done here often. You might not get the results that you wish for! Imagine that?! Can we villify trump voters? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/240 "2019-10-08T21:19:06Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > Possibly because I am not them, don’t frequent boards like that. I am here, you are the ones doing whatever it is. Why on earth do you worry about what someone else does to someone else? > > If it happens to you on some other board, then ok you have some skin in that game on THAT board. > > But you do it here for simples reasons. > You can get away with it and have your rants go unchecked because it is a like minded board. > > None of those things you list happen HERE You are supposedly middle of the road…but this board that is so left wing if disgusts you is the board you choose to frequent? You masochist! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213.md?page=13)