# A simple question for Trump supporters **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 3, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213 "2019-10-03T17:21:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/421 "2019-10-14T07:08:47Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > It is quite possible to think Clinton and Trump were equally bad…if you totally ignore Trump’s past history and believe every damn rumor told about Clinton. Right. If you’re a total dumbass, in other words. And that’s why I phrased the post the way I did: "Give "specifics based on stuff she’s actually said and done. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/422 "2019-10-14T09:00:22Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > My position? Don’t blame me for anything Trump has done; this is what you pushed us to. … ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/423 "2019-10-14T09:12:16Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > My position? Don’t blame me for anything Trump has done; this is what you pushed us to. So when did you stop beating your country? ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/424 "2019-10-14T10:48:14Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Right. If you’re a total dumbass, in other words. And that’s why I phrased the post the way I did: "Give "specifics based on stuff she’s actually said and done. She lost to an orange man with a big mouth. You dumbasses had it by the balls during Obama 1 and look at yourselves now. Still the sour grapes crew who learned nothing. Still demanding from people answers as to why she sucked and why you lost. ---
**Author:** ![saje](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saje/32/3631_2.png) [@saje](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saje)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/425 "2019-10-14T11:46:03Z")
Nope, not at all the question that was asked. Not why she lost, but why do you STILL support this lying, thieving, amoral, narcissistic, racist, incompetent, uneducated and ineducable man? He screams it all from the rooftops, and yet you kowtow to him because of promises he made that will NEVER be fulfilled. Who’s the dumbass here?? ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/426 "2019-10-14T12:11:40Z")
You should be ashamed of yourself for blaming your fellow victims of the state for the actions of the government. Of course some of you are no more than Trump minions who perversely blame the victims of your predation for the actions of your master. It is your unwavering devotion to the US govt that truly enables Trump. The veil that democracy has provided the state has allowed it to increase its scope of predation and destruction. The mechanism of democracy is made for demagogues, yet you are surprised at their success. Capital must put government back in its place. Unfortunately, the titans of capital are largely subsidy-seeking opportunists or true-believing ideologues. The success of the state in recruiting the upper-echelons in capital to join in the looting is probably the biggest obstacle to personal freedom. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/427 "2019-10-14T12:56:18Z")
> [@saje](#): > > Nope, not at all the question that was asked. > > Not why she lost, but why do you STILL support this lying, thieving, amoral, narcissistic, racist, incompetent, uneducated and ineducable man? He screams it all from the rooftops, and yet you kowtow to him because of promises he made that will NEVER be fulfilled. Who’s the dumbass here?? You guys are. No matter how much you meltdown about how horrible he is, you fuckin’ lost to the guy. Might do it again too. I’ll support whoever has the best chance to win and block you lunatics from gaining power. I don’t care who it is. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/428 "2019-10-14T13:22:30Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > You guys are. No matter how much you meltdown about how horrible he is, you fuckin’ lost to the guy. Might do it again too. Man you are bad at this. The question asked is what is the reason that one would not vote for her. That she lost is not a reason to not vote for her. At least, not in a universe that has cause and effect preserved. Is that the actually problem here? Are you not able to understand cause and effect, or do you think that you live in a universe that cause and effect do not apply? > [@](#): > > I’ll support whoever has the best chance to win and block you lunatics from gaining power. I don’t care who it is. Well yeah. You have already stated that you would make a deal with Satan himself in order to keep your faction in power. You will do any evil, hurt anyone you need to, betray any friend or ally, just to hold onto the reins for a little bit longer. But please do keep it up. There are fence sitters here, who seem to have difficulty in deciding which is the greater of two evils. Your willingness to ally with the metaphorical embodiment of pure evil itself helps to show where your party stands. ---
**Author:** ![saje](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saje/32/3631_2.png) [@saje](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saje)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/429 "2019-10-14T13:27:34Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > You guys are. No matter how much you meltdown about how horrible he is, you fuckin’ lost to the guy. Might do it again too. > > I’ll support whoever has the best chance to win and block you lunatics from gaining power. I don’t care who it is. Still not answering the question, or addressing my main point. He won on big promises. He has delivered only mayhem, and has proven to be an incompetent leader and a nasty person. Do you still support him? Why? What make “us” lunatics, exactly? Why is Hillary Clinton (or any other Democrat) so much worse than Mr. scam-artist Trump? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/430 "2019-10-14T13:36:36Z")
To admit he may be wrong is to admit he was weak enough to be wrong in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/431 "2019-10-14T13:43:39Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > You should be ashamed of yourself for blaming your fellow victims of the state for the actions of the government. Of course some of you are no more than Trump minions who perversely blame the victims of your predation for the actions of your master. It is your unwavering devotion to the US govt that truly enables Trump. The veil that democracy has provided the state has allowed it to increase its scope of predation and destruction. The mechanism of democracy is made for demagogues, yet you are surprised at their success. > > Capital must put government back in its place. Unfortunately, the titans of capital are largely subsidy-seeking opportunists or true-believing ideologues. The success of the state in recruiting the upper-echelons in capital to join in the looting is probably the biggest obstacle to personal freedom. Last call for Galt’s Gulch! Gate will be closing in 1 minute. This is the last departure call. As a reminder to all our personal freedom ticket holders, there is no courtesy boarding ramp on this flight. All those who could not afford the ladder fees are expected to pull themselves aboard by your bootstraps. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/432 "2019-10-14T13:46:19Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > To admit he may be wrong is to admit he was weak enough to be wrong in the first place. Amazing isn’t it. Trump supporters STILL can’t admit (even to themselves) that they made a huge mistake. It’s really beyond a mistake and damn near criminal stupidity to continue to support that corrupt moron. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/433 "2019-10-14T13:50:07Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > You guys are. No matter how much you meltdown about how horrible he is, you fuckin’ lost to the guy. Might do it again too. > > I’ll support whoever has the best chance to win and block you lunatics from gaining power. I don’t care who it is. HRC may have lost, but she wasn’t wrong about the _deplorables_ bit. ---
**Author:** ![saje](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saje/32/3631_2.png) [@saje](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saje)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/434 "2019-10-14T14:13:51Z")
Where’s the Like button when you need it? “HRC may have lost, but she wasn’t wrong about the deplorables bit.” So damned true. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/435 "2019-10-14T14:15:36Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > She lost to an orange man with a big mouth. > > You dumbasses had it by the balls during Obama 1 and look at yourselves now. Still the sour grapes crew who learned nothing. Still demanding from people answers as to why she sucked and why you lost. Wow. You really are dumber than dirt. But, then, trolls usually are. How’s your ban-quest going? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/436 "2019-10-14T14:24:05Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I’m not convinced that it wouldn’t have been a shitshow under Hillary, but I **know** Trump has been bad. There’s no “lesson” to learn except don’t nominate a garbage candidate (which both major parties did). > > I see Democratic front runners that I don’t absolutely distrust and I’m fairly certain they’ll nominate someone palatable. I’m leaving that 1% chance of something going sideways but it’s going to take a lot for me to cast a vote this time that’s not against Trump. (In other words, Democrat.) It could have been a shit show under Hillary, but what matters is the ‘why’ of the shit show. Clinton might have made bad decisions – certainly a reasonable concern. But Trump is making decisions to destroy the mechanisms that allow popular influence and control over our own political system. What’s more, they’ve gone a lot farther in doing so than most people truly realize. Granted, it’s not solely Trump’s doing - the entire Republican party and their activists are to blame. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/437 "2019-10-14T14:26:02Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > (…) > > I’ll support whoever has the best chance to win > > (…) Why? (this might be the dumbest shit your wrote to date:: a truly epic achievement) Do they hand out “voted for the winning side” trophies? Shouldn’t you be voting for the person who best represents your interests and will pursue your ideals? Were you sick the day they taught democracy 101? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/438 "2019-10-14T14:34:38Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > Why? > > (this might be the dumbest shit your wrote to date:: a truly epic achievement) > > Do they hand out “voted for the winning side” trophies? > > Shouldn’t you be voting for the person who best represents your interests and will pursue your ideals? Were you sick the day they taught democracy 101? He’s made his motives perfectly clear. He’s a deplorable cunt whose only interest is to stick it to the progressives. That’s it. That’s the extent of his pathetically shallow intellectual and moral depth. To recognize whatever the progressives are for, and to instinctively and vindictively be against it. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/439 "2019-10-14T15:29:25Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > You guys are. No matter how much you meltdown about how horrible he is, you fuckin’ lost to the guy. Might do it again too. > > I’ll support whoever has the best chance to win and block you lunatics from gaining power. I don’t care who it is. Y’know, if you don’t know the answer, just Man Up and admit it, rather than dodging the question. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/440 "2019-10-14T15:44:17Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > It could have been a shit show under Hillary, but what matters is the ‘why’ of the shit show. Clinton might have made bad decisions – certainly a reasonable concern. Plus, by now we’d be into the 143rd week of the But-her-emails-gate Senate investigations. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213.md?page=23)